YORK/ ELLIOTT/ MURRAY/ JULIAN families of Randolph Co. NC to TN
We have been at a dead end for my BARABARA JULIAN's husband who may have resided in Randolph Co. NC when he married Barbara Julian about 1798. Barbara Julian b. between 1778 - 1781 in Randleman, Randolph Co. NC and was dau. of RENE JULIAN and CATHERINE ALLRED.
Barbara Julian and Alexander Murray had son named JOHN A. MURRAY b. 1799 NC and their 2nd son RENNE N. MURRAY b. 1801 NC or TN is my GG Grandfather who married ANNA ELLIOTT on Aug. 06, 1822 in Knox Co. TN. Other Elliott marriages also were listed in Knox Co. TN then, but Renne N. Murray's family lived in Monroe Co. TN at the time he married it is believed. The Murray oral history is that the ELLIOTT family spelled their name as ELIOT ( with one L and one T ). They were out of VA and this is stated in the Murray family oral history of these names mentioned :
"Renne Murray born May 25, 1801, a son of ALEXANDER and BARBARY ( JULIAN ) MURRAY. "
" ALEXANDER was born in Randolph Co. VA " ( think they mean NORTH CAROLINA as no county is named RANDOLPH in VA. )
" BARBARY was born the same. " (* Barbara Julian born in RANDOLPH CO. NORTH CAROLINA between 1778-1781 ).
" ALEXANDER a son of JAMES MURRAY of VA. "
"JAMES MURRAY's father came from England to PA. in an early day. "
" JAMES MURRAY had 4 children by first wife namely IRVIN boy ALEXANDER; ELIXY ( went to IND. ) ; ELIZABETH and POLLY were reared in VA after JAMES MURRAY moved to WASHINGTON Co. TENN. and reared up a large family by his second wife. Some of their names were JOHN ; WILLIAM ; and JAMES. "
" BARBARY ( JULIAN ) MURRAY was a daughter of RENNE JULIAN and ( Miss ALLRED ) JULIAN, her given name not known. RENNE JULIAN came from PA. to VA. His father came from France to PA. the first settling of America. RENNE JULIAN had one brother living in VA., named ISAAC. He had a family of 9 children namely, TOBAS, BOHANNEN, ISAAC, JACOB, RENNY, SHUBAL, NELLIE, POLLY, PATSY. "
" RENNE and MISS ALLRED JULIAN had a family of 8 children, STEVEN, JOHN, RENNE, ISAAC, PATENTS ( Patience ) , MIRIM, BARBARY, BETSY, ( Renne were buried in Lucas Co. IOWA ) . ISAAC died in GREEN( E ) Co. MO. STEVEN died in MO. "
Barbara Julian Murray is listed on the 1830 Monroe Co. TN census, as a widow with younger siblings of Renne N. Murray. After Renne Murray and Anna Elliott married they moved to McMinn Co. TN where Renne had a land grant in the Hiwassee Dist. of what became McMinn Co. TN.
Hiwassee District Entry Taker's Book ( General Entry ) :
Rennie Murrey 12 Feb 1824 Pg. 24, Grant 8907-155 - LOCATION : R2W-FT4 - 5 Swq 160
McMinn
The MURRAY family listed that he is known as ALEXANDER MURRAY b. 1775 Randolph Co. NC but the GOODSPEEDS article on our MURRAY family of MO. had listed the following on him . . .
"WILLIAM ALEXANDER MURRAY, was born in North Carolina,
and died in Tennessee. He was of French origin, and was a soldier in theWar of 1812. His grandfather was a Frenchman."
We see an ALEXANDER MURROUI listed in the 1800 RANDOLPH CO. NC Census, with enumerations to be similar to the ages of both Alexander b. abt. 1775 NC and wife BARBARA JULIAN b. bet. 1778 - 1781 NC and their first child, JOHN A. MURRAY b. abt. 1799 NC. Also listed is an ELIJAH MURROUI spelling on this alphabetical census of 1800 Randolph Co. NC and it is said that ELIJAH MURRAY moved from Randolph Co. NC to INDIANA. Later we see Barbara Julians' brother named ISAAC JULIAN also left TN and moved to INDIANA for 3 years but returned to Monroe Co. TN where he married.
The YORK family in VA and Randolph Co. NC were said to be family friends of the JULIAN family. When RENE JULIAN and wife CATHERINE ALLRED moved from Randolph Co. NC to Knox Co. TN, the YORK family had moved about then too. I believe there were also marriags that occurred between these YORKS and JULIANS after they were in or near to KNOX CO. TN.
Renne N. Murray and wife ANNA ELLIOTT had left McMinn Co. TN after 4 of their children were born and moved to Rutherford Co. TN and on the census there as RENNE MOURY family. So the spellings of our Murrays had included the spellings of MURRAY/ MURRY/ MOWERY/ MOWRY in Monroe Co. TN and possibly as MURROUI in Randolph Co. NC and as MOURY in Rutherford Co. TN. Renne Murray/ Moury and ANNA ELLIOTT left Rutherford Co. TN after the 1830 census and were in Gibson Co. TN during 1832 when their son ALFRED H. MURRAY was born to them then. Also living in RUTHERFORD CO. TN during the 1830 census is an ALFRED ELLIOTT but so far we have not been able to tell if ANNA ELLIOTT would have fit into this ELLIOTT family of Rutherford Co. TN. We also see ELLIOTTS were in Gibson Co. TN as well when Renne Murray and Anna Elliott arrived there by 1832. Anna is thought to have died sometime between 1835 - 1838 in Gibson Co. TN and Renne Murray and his children by Anna returned to Monroe Co. TN where he married 2nd wife REBECCA LACY the dau. of a WILLIAM LACY of Monroe and McMinn Co's TN. They too had children, and after Rebecca Lacy Murray died, Renne Murray then moved to Greene Co. MO and died on Jan. 16, 1884 at the home of his son ALFRED H. MURRAY in ASH GROVE, GREENE Co. MO.
It appears that the fact the MURRAY history of this family listed them as FRENCH and not SCOTS IRISH as thought, plus the spellings in Randolph Co. NC of MURROUI which could be a french spelling, and the fact, that ELIJAH MURROUI ( MURRAY ) had moved to INDIANA as the Murray family history stated a ELIXY MURRAY had done, gives hope that this is a connection to the ELIJAH MURRAY family line of INDIANA. But without further proof we have only the history of the MURRAY family and the GOODSPEEDS article to base these assumptions on, along with the 1800 Randolph Co. NC Census, and the census and marriages records of the Murray family once they were established in eastern TN.
The WASHINGTON Co. TN area is full of MURRAYS not yet associated with our MURRAYS. However, if JAMES MURRAY is father of ALEXANDER MURRAY who is father of our RENNE N. MURRAY, and if JAMES MURRAY did in fact remarry once he was in TN and had children by his 2nd spouse who were named such common names of JOHN, WILLIAM and JAMES MURRAY, could it be that the TN region mentioned as WASHINGTON Co. TN could be around GREENE Co. TN or other regions of nearby KY or eastern most part of TN ?
DOES ANY OF THIS SOUND familiar to anyone who is researching the MURRAY, ELLIOTT, YORK, or JULIAN surnames ? We know the JULIANS also were FRENCH and some were early Intruders into the CHEROKEE TERRITORY that later became Monroe Co. TN. We also know some of these same JULIANS later lived in INDIANA just as had the ELIJAH MURRAY of Randolph Co. NC as well as the history of our Murray family per their oral histories.
The YORK family is associated with the JULIANS and the JUlIANS also had many other families they had intermarried with in eastern TN. Do any of you have ELLIOTTS/ YORKS/ MURRAY/ JULIAN marriages too who are researching these families in Eastern TN or Randolph Co. NC or even in KY and INDIANA ?
Tina Rogers Beller
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