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Re: Alexander de Welles UPDATE and SUMMARY
Posted by: John Wells (ID *****6525) Date: February 08, 2008 at 09:37:45
In Reply to: Alexander de Welles of the Knights Hospitaller of the Order of St John by John Wells of 176

We are interested in any links between the Lincolnshire Welles and Alexander de Welles, Master/Prior of Torphichen and the Knights Hospitaller of the Order of St John of Jerusalem in Scotland. Alexander de Welles died in 1298 at the Battle of Falkirk where he fought with Adam de Welle(s) (of Lincolnshire) and Philip de Welle(s) (probably of Essex. - pers.comm. J.L.Knapp) against William Wallace.

Alexander was replaced as Master by Ranulph de Lindsay. It is interesting to note that in 1390, in Edinburgh, Baron John de Welles, of the same family, challenged David Lindsay (later 1st Earl of Crawford) to a duel, a joust on London Bridge in which Welles was unhorsed at the third pass.The last of this Welles line was John, Viscount Lord Welles (2) who died in 1499.

There is little doubt that Ranulph and David Lindsay were related and that they were also distantly related to the Welles family.

Walter de Welles was a tenant in 1115-1118 of Walter de Lindsay (son of Gilbert de Ghent and called de Ghent when he returned to Lincolnshire from Scotland). His son William de Welles married Walter de Lindsay's (or de Ghent's) daughter. Gilbert's 5th son was called Ranulph - a family name (pers. comm. Earl of Crawford and Balcarres).

(Alisaundre de Welles, Preceptor of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem A lion rampant, defaced (RR783(SHS64410, SAS2857). The seal probably has a crusilly background, to differentiate Alexander from the head of his house. The tail is normally double-queued for Welles but cannot be ascertained from the seal. Bruce McAndrew, Proc.Soc.Antiq.Scot, 129 (1999), 663-752.
The lion rampant on the seal of Friar Alisaundre de Welles almost certainly brings him within the ambit of the English family of that name which bore Or, a lion rampant queue four chy sable. Bruce A. McAndrew, Scotlands Historic Heraldry 2006, Boydell and Brewer Ltd.)

A Roger de Mowbray was Sheriff of Linlithgow (approximately 6 km north east of Torphichen), Edinburgh and Haddington around 1264 and before. This Roger may be the son of Sir Philip de Mowbray of Scotland and cousin of Sir Roger de Mowbray (Isle of Axholme, Lincolnshire). http://www.mowbray.ddl-web-hosting.com/page23.htm My thanks to David Mowbray for his helpful comments.

http://www.armadale.org.uk/torphichen.htm
http://www.wells-genealogy.org.uk/robert.htm



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