Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
Carol Gross 9/23/07
I have found the Wagners living in Elkhart County Indiana in the 1860 census, with children listed as being, Elizabeth, Catherine, Sarah, Andrew, John, and Lucinda. The last being listed as born in Ohio, and the rest Pennsylvania. Both Jacob and Susan were counted as not being able to read or write. I assume this to mean they spoke german, with very little english, as this was the case for so many people from german speaking areas within PA. I was not able to tie them to any of the wagner families living in Goshen, or Elkhart County.
In 1850 Jacob and Susan were living in Hamilton County Indiana. I was not able to connect them with anyone living there either. Jacob did not buy land in either place, and I was not able to find him listed in any of the Civil War register - he was over conscript age, but I thought he might have enrolled in a country reserve.
The Wagners are listed in the 1870 census of Paola Kansas, west ward, but their names are listed as James, 61, Pa and Sarah 56, Pa., and their last name is spelled Wagoner, which is how my g-grandmother Nora Walker said it was spelled by the family. Their children are listed as Elizabeth 25, PA; Katy 23, IN; Mary 22, IN; Andrew 21 IN; John 16, IN; and Lucy 14, Ohio.
I have not been able to connect either Jacob or Susan to anyone living in York County PA in the early part of the 1800s. Do you know anything more about who Jacob's or Susan's parents might have been?
One thing is clear, when they lived in Hamilton Co IN and Elkhart Co IN they lived in communities and were surrounded by people who spoke German. When they moved to Kansas, they were not.
In the 1885 Kansas State censes for Osawatomie Twp., John Wagner, son of Jacob and Susan was living next door to his sister, widow Mary Chandler, who was mary Wagner, his sister. Within John's family was a daugheter named Flora. This Flora married my gg-grandfather Lewis David, in Cass County MO. She was his third and final wife, and I don;t think they had any children together. Do you know where and when Flora died?
I never found any records spelling out Rudicell Walker's first name in Kansas; everything I found, including his headstone, says R.F. Walker. It was assumed by my g-grandmother that his name might have been "Rufus", but she never knew her father. He died before she was old enough to have any direct memories of him. Nonetheless, he was the son of Milas Walker and Margaret Moss of Iredell County N.C., and during the war, he and his brothers were members of one of the most famous Confederate army regiments, the 4th North Carolina. How he ended up in Osawatomie Kansas is hard to say; even harder to figure how he met and maried one of Jacob and Susan Wagner's daughters.
Any details you might have would be helpful. Did your aunt have any pictures with her research?
Thanks,
Richard O'Neal
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
Carol Gross 9/24/07
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
Richard O'Neal 9/24/07
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
Carol Gross 9/25/07
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
Richard O'Neal 9/25/07
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867
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Re: Wagner from Germany came to Ks. in 1867