Then you have another John with the same siblings! Do you dates match any of mine. There may be a connection somewhere. My John VIVIAN DOB 1850 immigrated from England and settled in Wilkes Barre PA where he had the children listed from marriage to Elizabeth JORDAN. I have the census information for this. One of their children was John Thomas VIVIAN who was a craftsman also. He moved to Detroit after marrying Mable TUCKER who is my great-grandmother. There are many John VIVIANS. My father was also a John VIVIAN and we lived in Fenton MI where we received phone calls for a John VIVIAN who lived in Lake Fenton all of the time.
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