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Re: trying to find my vernon ancestors
Posted by: Annie Carlile (ID *****3078) Date: January 12, 2012 at 14:00:48
In Reply to: trying to find my vernon ancestors by simon vernon of 1839

Hi. I'm not related to this family. This might be Stanley's birth record:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Stanley J Vernon
Name:        Stanley J Vernon
Mother's Maiden Surname:        Loates
Date of Registration:        Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district:        Greenwich
Inferred County:        Greater London
Volume Number:        1d
Page Number:        1607

And his brother:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Cyril H Vernon
Name:        Cyril H Vernon
Mother's Maiden Name:        Loates
Date of Registration:        Apr-May-Jun 1914
Registration district:        Greenwich
Inferred County:        Greater London, Kent, London
Volume:        1d
Page:        18868

It looks like there was also a brother Henry:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Henry W Vernon
Name:        Henry W Vernon
Mother's Maiden Surname:        Loates
Date of Registration:        Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration district:        Greenwich
Inferred County:        London
Volume Number:        1d
Page Number:        1205

Here is their father Henry's marriage to Louisa Loates:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Occupation: Tram Conductor
Residence: 6 Clifton Crescent, Peckham
Age:        23
Estimated Birth Year:        abt 1890
Spouse Name:        Louisa Catherine Loates
Spouse Age:        22
Record Type:        Marriage
Event Date:        12 Jul 1913
Parish:        St-Judes Peckham in the parish of Camberwell, County of London
Borough:        Southwark
Father Name:        Henry Vernon, occ-Fish Salesman
Spouse Father Name: Fordham Loates, occ-Pensioner
Register Type:        Parish Register
Witnesses: Ernest A. Loates & Frances Elizabeth Vernon

This might be Henry in 1911:

1911 England Census about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Age in 1911:        21
Estimated Birth Year:        abt 1890
Relation to Head:        Son
Gender:        Male
Birth Place:        Bermondsey London
Civil parish:        Deptford St Paul
County/Island:        London
Country:        England
Street Address:        37 Sharratt Street, Canterbury Road S E
Marital Status:        Single
Occupation:        TRAVELLER COMMERCIAL
Registration district:        Greenwich
Registration District Number:        28
Sub-registration district:        Deptford North
ED, institution, or vessel:        22
Piece:        02616
Household Members:        
Name        Age
Frances Elizabeth Vernon 42 -wife- married 22 years- 8 children/5 living; b. Horsley Down, London; Machinest, Leather factory
Henry Vernon        21 -son- b. 1890 Bermondsey, London; Traveller commercial, tobacconist & confectioner
Frances Amelia Vernon        19 -dau- b. 1892 Bermondsy, London; Sewing machinist, Millinery
Martha Frances Vernon         17 -dau- b. 1894 Walworth, London; Sewing machinest, blouse
James Vernon         13 -son- b. 1898 Walworth, London
Lilan Louisa Vernon         8 -dau- b. 1903 Walworth, London

Here is the family in 1901:

1901 England Census about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Age:        11
Estimated Birth Year:        abt 1890
Relation:        Son
Father's Name:        Henry Vernon
Mother's Name:        Frances E Vernon
Gender:        Male
Where born:        Newington, London, England
Civil parish:        Newington
Ecclesiastical parish:        St Peter
County/Island:        London
Country:        England
Registration district:        St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district:        St Peter, Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel:        18
Household schedule number:        298
Piece:        378
Folio:        108
Page Number:        40
Household Members:        
Name        Age
Henry Vernon         40 b. 1861 Southwark, London; fish monger
Frances E Vernon 31 -wife- b. 1870 Horsleydown, London; aucoutrement stitcher
Henry Vernon         11 -son- b. 1890 Newington, London
Frances A Vernon 9 -dau- b. 1892 South Bermondsey, London
Marth F Vernon         7 -dau- b. 1894 Walworth, London
James Vernon         5 -son- b. 1896 Walworth, London

This is probably a baptism for Henry:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Record Type:        Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:        abt 1890
Baptism Date:        20 Apr 1890
Residence: 45 Old Kent Road
Father's Name:        Henry Vernon, fish monger
Mother's Name:        Frances Elizabeth Vernon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough:        Southwark
Register Type:        Parish Registers
       
This is probably Henry's parents' marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Occupation: Fish Salesman
Residence: 217 Fort or Font Road
Age:        28
Estimated Birth Year:        abt 1861
Spouse Name:        Frances Elizabeth Hobbs
Spouse Age:        21
Record Type:        Marriage
Event Date:        3 Jun 1889
Parish:        Bermondsey St James
Borough:        Southwark
Father Name:        James Vernon (deceased), Fish Salesman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Rutter Hobbs, Manager
Register Type:        Parish Register
Witnesses: Thomas Rutter Hobbs & Emma Hobbs

This is probably Henry, Sr. in 1881:

1881 England Census about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Age:        18
Estimated Birth Year:        abt 1863
Relation:        Son
Father's Name:        James Vernon
Mother's Name:        Martha Vernon
Gender:        Male
Where born:        Bermondsey
Civil parish:        Bermondsey
County/Island:        London
Country:        England
Street Address:       3 & 4 Bermondsey New Rd
Occupation:        Greengrocers Son
Registration district:        St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district:        Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel:        11
Piece:        560
Folio:        29
Page Number:        4
Household Members:        
Name        Age
James Vernon        54 b. 1827 St-Olave, Southwark; Greengrocer
Martha Vernon        52 -wife- b. 1829 Croydon
Henry Vernon        18 -son- b. 1863 Bermondsey
Emily Vernon        15 -dau- b. 1866 Bermondsey

And in 1870:

1871 England Census about Henry Vernon
Name:        Henry Vernon
Age:        11
Estimated Birth Year:        abt 1860
Relation:        Son
Father's Name:        James Vernon
Mother's Name:        Martha E Vernon
Gender:        Male
Where born:        Bermondsey
Civil parish:        St George the Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish:        St Mary Magdalene
County/Island:        London
Country:        England
Registration district:        St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district:        Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel:        10
Household schedule number:        6
Piece:        600
Folio:        32
Page Number:        2
Residence: 45 Old Kent Road
Household Members:        
Name        Age
James Vernon        48 b. 1823 Bermondsey; Fruit & Fish Shopkeeper; employer of 1 man & 5 boys
Martha E Vernon 44 -wife- b. 1827 Croydon
James Vernon        22 -son- b. 1849 Bermondsey; employed in the business
John Vernon        18 -son- b. 1853 Bermondsey: same
Louisa V Vernon 17 -dau- b. 1854 same
Frederick Vernon 13 -son- b. 1858 same
Henry Vernon        11 -son- b. 1860 same **
Emily Vernon        6 -dau- b. 1865 same
Alfred Vernon        2 -son- b. 1869 same
Susan Burrows         24 -servant-
Elizabeth Bedford 14 -servant-

Hope this helps. Annie


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