James Moman(Norman) Venable 1 JUL 1822 in Jackson CO, GA
The suggestion that Moman is infact Mooreman is a guess at best from the Author of this artical, all other info suggests its NORMAN as in NORMANDY!
ID: I49 ·Name: James Moman(Norman) Venable ·Sex: M ·Birth: 1 JUL 1822 in Jackson CO, GA, GA ·Death: 23 MAY 1862 in Springplace, Murray CO, GA ·Burial: 1862 Venable Cemetery, Murray CO, GA ·Note: 17 miles SE of Springplace on old Berry Bennet place near ceda r tree. ·Occupation: Farmer ·Cause: Dysintery ·Note: Even though all family notes give James' name as James MOMAN Venable, I'm sure that Moorman is the correct name. (See the genealogy) The southern pronounciation would have omitted the 'r". According to family records, James was a Forage Master during the war, got dysentery, came home to Spring Place & died. I find no record of James in Confederate rolls or Muster rolls. The Venable cemetery where he is buried is on the old Berry Bennett place. (Exact location is "On east side of road, old Berry Bennet Place, near big Cedar Tree.)(Now owned by THE CARL BOUCKERT family The Bouckaerts own Beaulieu Carpets, the biggest carpet Mfg. in the world, based in Dalton. He can be reached at 1502 Coronet Dr., Dalton, GA 30720) July 1, 1822 - James was born in Jackson CO, GA1832 - His father Robert R. Venable dies in Jackson CO, GACharles Venable, his grandfather dies in Perryville, MO. James, according to Mary Jane, his daughter, rode a big mule from GA to MO for the hearing of the will.Jan 18, 1845 - Granting of Guardianship of Sanford and Richard Venable, minors to James M. Venable.1845 - Lives in Jackson CO, & Shady Grove, Forsyth CO Census shows him living with his mother, Isabella in Forsyth CO.1848 - Family notes say he married Martha Welch this year. The marriage record is in Book B. Forsyth County Marriages, Page 100 (The Probate Court told me on 1/29/01 that they do not have Book B records, microfilmed or not, but that the Archives in Atlanta "may have something")(Ora, his granddaughter said she was told by her mother that James fell in love with Martha Welch because she sang "Annie Laurie" so beautifully.On the 21st of December, 1849. James bought 3 lots in the town of Shady Grove, Forsyth Co. (The Town of Shady Grove in the mid 1830's was later called Sheltonville and now is referred to as the Shake Rag Community. ISept 1850 U. S. Forsythe Co census shows James living with his mother in Forsyth Co It shows the property they are living on as valued at $6,000. 1850 Census he is shown as living in Rock Creek, Murray CO near his brother, Lucius. (Why did he move?) Ora O'Leary, his grandaughter says she was told that James traded his slaves for land in Murray COMarch 3, 1850 - His son, James Stephens Venable is born in Spring Place, Murray CO, GAFeb 19, 1854 - His daughter, Mary Jane is born in Spring Place.1856 - His son, Robert Toombs is born and dies as infant. (Named after Robert Augustus Toombs 1810-1865, statesman, orator and military officer. (Read about him in the Venable file)1857 Fannie Venable, his second daughter, is born in Spring Place1858 - His account at the Hawkins and Durham Store at Rock Creek for the year 1858 is interesting. (The Durham owning this store was later to become the 2nd husband of James' wife, Martha Venable after James died in 1862)During this year his account came to $64.51, and included 2 plugs of tobacco at .25 each, a spelling book for.10, a saddle at $22.00, a bridle for $3.00, 1800 bricks for $9.00 and one pair of ladies shoes for $1.50. 1860 - Isabella is born in Spring Place1860 - James is listed in the Murray CO, Ga Slave Schedule He owned one black girl age 14.April 12, 1861 - Outbreak of Civil WarHere is a letter from R. J Cunningham to his uncle, James M Venable on May 1st 1861 just as the war got under way. ( R. J. is 20 yrs old at this point)Talladega, ALAMay 1st, 1861Dear Uncle,I wrote to you once or twice since I came home and have been expecting to hear from you. Grandma is very anxious to hear from you all and I think it is as little as you could do to write to us now and then. We are preparing to give the B. Republicans a warm reception. There was one company left here this morning of 110 men and we have two more companies ready to go in a moments warning.But we heard yesterday that Abraham L. was in favor of making peace. I cannot say whether it is true or not. But I am opposed to making peace on any terms they said they intended to subjugate us and I want them to do it if they can. But they will find it a dam hard thing to do. We are all well at present. I hope that the Abolitionists have not found you. It may be that you have found refuge in the mountains. Do not be afraid, they will have to come a long ways to find you and besides they would not notice you anyway. They would think you was some small boy so do not be uneasy. write to me and tell me what the Lincolnites are doing in Murray. We are all straight out Secessionists down this way. Plant a large crop of cotton this year for we will need all we can get before this war is over.Give my love to all write soon.Your nephewR. J. Cunningham("Grandma" refers to Jane's mother, Isabella Montgomery Venable, who spent the war at their house. R. J. was joking when he talks about the Abolitionists not being able to find James, referring to the fact that James was a very short delicate person.Letter from Andrew Cunningham to James M. Venable , his brother-in-law Castaloga, Sep 6, 1861Dear James & allI rec yours from Dalton stating that you had not rec a letter from me since yours last. This may be the fact and yet I have written you to your old P O RockCreek so I claim to have answered your letter but there is no telling the rascality and blunders of a new government. So much for Democracy, another name for demagogism and corruption. I am indeed glad to hear of your good crops good health and the sprightliness of your little ones. I do trust that they are smart children and that you will give them a fair chance. I say to you give them the best education in your power. It is the best legacy you can give them and then set them a Godly example and you will have done for them all that the Bible requires. What has become of Lucius and Martha. Have they any children to brag on or are they too stingy to make one or two. I would like to hear from them but alas I fear I shall not have the satisfaction of hearing from him in person and you never mention him in yours and I can't see the reason you do not write longer letters when we have so much in the wind. If you thought I was bragging on my children I must say that you were mistaken for I did not intend to insinuate that our children were smarter or better than other folks and I only speak of them in letters to you to let you know what each one is doing and I am glad that you stated in yours how yours was getting along. I would like always to know that you and yours was doing well and wish you all the happiness in this world and in the world to come life everlasting. As you have not rec my other letter I will again state what I wrote in it. Jane was in bad health and Margarethe was in still worse health. I sent them both to the springs in Calhoun County and they remained there through the months of June and July and Margarethe lost her child. Then they came home in better health and continue to improve until they are in tolerable health. Our youngest is not a healthy child but it possibly may be raised. Little Agnes is in fine health and doing well. Fannie is an large as her mother. Dump is growing fast and Andrew is a well grown lad. They all save the two youngest are doing tolerably well in school. Robert is near Manassas, belongs to the 10th ALA Regiment and is a high private, has had the measles and is well. I suppose he does not like the privations of the camp. On the 1st of August I went there to see him. I spent one week there in looking over the Battle field and it was indeed a site. The smell was intolerable and my feeling unaccountably strange to see the destruction of a fine country, the destruction of property and the inmense sacrifice of valuable livesI am in want of language to say how I feel. I can but say may the God of Battles preserve us. We have a cunning brave and numerous enemy to contend with and not as many say a lot of cowards and dastards. It needs only a sensible look over the premises to see that they did fight and that well and if they had have been on a good cause we should have been swallowed up and now I'm hurt to think of our country being deluged in blood for the benefit of a few office holders on both sides. Is it not a humiliating sight to think our people have sacrificed the rich heritage bequeathed to us for party party party. I tell you we have an element in the south that will rule or ruin. I speak my honest convictions when I say our present Confederacy will not last ten years. We are a lost and ruined people sold out for a song. I am in the first place for whipping the abolitionists and then I am against democracy as long as I live.Your mother is in good health and seems to enjoy herself very well and I hope will remain with us at least some time to come if not always. I hear no news but what you are all conversant with. I should have stopped to have seen you when I was on my way back from Manassas but I had a sick countryman with me who could not be prevailed upon to stop. I have the finest corn crop I have had in ten years but we have had so much rain that our cotton is not good so far and what we are to do for money I know not if the Blockade lasts. We will have to live by cunning and craft but we hope for other things. If you go to Virginia and get up towards Manassas you will find Robert near Bristol Station 4 miles this side of the Junction in Manassas. He is about 1/2 mile north of said station or if you wish to write direct as follows.R. J. Cunningham The war department there forwards all our lettersCare of Capt 22 Ordinance 101 ALa Regiment Write me soonRichmond Virginia Yours RespectfullyA Cunningham("Your mother" refers to Isabella Montgomery Venable who had been living with her daughter for some years)February 1862 - Letter from his brother-in-law Andrew Cunningham (married to Jane V. ) in AlabamaDear James and Lucius and familiesYours of the 29 came to hand this day and having nothing very pressing to do I will answer yours for fear that I neglect it too long. I have nothing of special interest to write. We are all well which you neglected to say in yours. I am indeed truly glad to hear that your children are making rapid progress at school and hope they will continue to do so and that it may be in your power to keep them at school for this will be worth more to them than anything you can do for them. I am also glad to learn that you have made plenty and to spare and that you will more more prices for anything you have to sell. How long this state of affairs will last you nor I can tell, but we are not out of this brush by a long ways yet. The Kentucky fight is to us a disastrous one and we cannot yet see the effects of it and if not quickly remedied it will be too late. We are surrounded by a ruthless foe and I fear it will be a war of extermination to us. We are poorly provided with arms and they have the numerical strength as well as much more money that us and we fight against odds at every place. I hope we may be able to hold our own until there is some interference from abroad of which I at present see but little hope for. The fact is we have all the world against us as it regards the great cause of the war and if the God of grace and goodness who has so far us should forsake us, we are lost and as it regards being united in the country I believe we have been otherwise than for defending ourselves and homes. The only thing we have disagreed about was the cause, one side contending that we could have avoided this war and done anything necessary for our own protection while the others wished to push the war on immediately, let the consequences by what they may and now we see Jeff Davis President with power to appoint all officers both civil and military and of course he will appoint his party friends and we have all the offices filled with Democrats for life. Now is this fair, is it right? If so they should pay all the war and government expenses. But there is no use now in our talking over these matters. We must first see whether we are to have a government or not. We must either whip the Yankees or we will never be able to hold our heads again and I fear we will find a hard fight of it before we get done. But that must be done and then I am willing to make war on the party that caused the war. I occupy the same party ground I did years ago. I am opposed to Democracy in all its shapes. Now as it regards bringing or sending the old lady to your house I will at any time she wants to go, send her or bring her, though I do not see much use in her leaving us. I hope she is well satisfied and is doing well with us. I do not wish her to go back to her old place to work in the fields again. I have no objection to her going to stay with you and Lucius but I do not want her to go to Forsyth again. But I will do whatever she wishes me to do for her , but the roads are now too bad to go anywhere. We have had no good weather sinceChristmas and the water is now all over the land in this section. We have had a very warm winter. No weather sufficient for making good pork or rather bacon but we have been remarkably healthy. You say Bob is all the one that thinks enough of you to come and see you. I think I have visited you since you did me.I suppose that the summons of trying Dick for treason is idle and will for I really think we have no man living amongst us but who desires the success of Southern arms however much he may dislike other things. I wrote him and Ed Bacon both not long since but have received no answer and the fact is I cannot make head or tail of what Dick does write. I would be very sorry indeed if he should act so imprudently as to bring upon himself even a suspicion that he was in favour of of the success of Yankee arms. I will write him before long in which I will admonish him of the danger of such a course but I do not suppose that I will have much influence with him. I have no news in the that would interest you as you have forgotten the folks and things here before this. I am preparing for another crop as fast as I can. I have sowed my oats and my wheat looks well for the season, possibly too well. I will not plant too much cotton if the war does not close and I fear it will not close soon. I think I will come and see you sometime this year if I can scrape money sufficient to pay my way and the war should not grow too interesting. I think you and Lucius and families might come and see us before you have so many children that you cannot go about. How many has Lucius or is he too stingy yet to support a baby? I do think you might say a little more in your letters if was nothing but abuse to the Whigs as you are now a good Democrat. It would be refreshing and stir up a body a little. I have many things that I could talk about but it would take too long to write such things. I am only in tolerable health and have to be very cautious if I get sick. So write a little oftener and a little fuller and do not send a whole sheet of paper with one side hardly filled.Our kindest regards to you all. Yours Respectfully, A. CunninghamSeptember 1862 - James dies at Spring Place of Dysentery (according to family notes) Buried on property. 1863 - Isabella dies1864 - Settlement of James' Estate Venable CemeteryOn east side of road on Bouckaert Farms near cedar tree.Martha Isabelle Venable 1860---1864 (daughter of J. M. & MarthaVenable)Robert T. Venable 1856----1857 (son of J. M. & Martha Venable)J. M. (James Norman) Venable 1822----1862Article: The Chatsworth Times, Feb 15, 1989"Boy Scout Cleanup" Boy Scout Troop 372 spent a day recalling history on the Venable Plantation at the Bouckaert Farm in lower Murray County. The work of this group of young men was a remarkable case of the present meeting the past.Much of the land which now comprises the Bouckaert Farm was once part of the Venable Plantation. Years before the War Betweeen The States, James M. Venable and his wife, the former Martha Welch of Lumpkin County, accumulated many acres and operated and extensive plantation with slave labor. Their family increased in size, but they suffered the loss as two children died early and were buried in a cedar grove on a hill across from their home.During the War, Venable was beiefly a Purchasing Agent for the Confederacy, but became ill, died and was buried beside his little ones on the plantation. Mrs. Venable later married another Confederate soldier-businessman, Charles D. Durham, a relative of the Durhams of NC. The Venable Plantation became known as the Durham Farm and continued to operate until Mrs. Durham's death in 1929. Their son, C. F. Durham sold the farm to a relative and moved away. For most of the next six decades, the area became known as the Berry Bennett Place. Mary Jane, the daughter of James M. Venable had moved away after marrying Richard Bramblett. A few years ago, Jackie Gray, their granddaughter of California contacted the Whitfield-Murray Historical Society to inquire about the existence of the Venable cemetery.She and member of rhe Society put together the family story. They learned that numerous relatives of the Welch and Bramblett lines still live in Murray County. Direct descendants are scattered across the West. Anothr interesting bit of information brought to light was that two former slaves, Isaac and Patience Venable also lived in Spring Place where they are the only blacks buried in the Spring Place cemetery. The Venable cemetery - long overgrown and forgotten- has recently been cleaned and beautified by the Scouts. Under the auspices of Scout Leader David Stone, their work will be long appreciated by the family and the Historical Society. Mr. Venable and Martha would be pleased that their farm is once again a productive farm.·Change Date: 14 SEP 2002Father: Robert R Venable b: ABT 1798 in Jackson CO, GA Mother: Isabella Montgomery b: 1795 in GAMarriage 1 Martha Welch b: 14 APR 1830 in Edgefield CO, SC · Married: 21 JUN 1848/1849 in Forsyth Co, GA,Children 1. James Stephen Venable b: 17 MAR 1853 in Springplace, Murray CO, GA 2. Mary Jane Venable b: 19 FEB 1854 in Springplace, Murray, GA 3. Robert Toombs Venable b: 29 DEC 1856 in Springplace, Murray CO, GA 4. Fannie Venable b: 1857 in Springplace Murray, GA 5. Martha Isabella Venable b: 1 OCT 1860 in Springplace, Murray, CO, Ga
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Re: James Moman(Norman) Venable 1 JUL 1822 in Jackson CO, GA
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