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Re: The Relative Value of the Sources
Posted by: Van Date: August 15, 2001 at 20:14:44
In Reply to: Re: The Relative Value of the Sources by Gusman of 1583

As usual, Mr Gusman has reversed the burden of proof. All of the documents of the DAR application, excepting the certified Bible entries, are Tertiary(third) source. They are not records of actual events and make no references to actual records. The bible certifications are secondary...while not an actual record, the notary would have copied same from the actual record, to the best of his ability, again noting the notary's comments regarding readability of the entries(refer to "father Van Siclen"s death date), so mistakes are quite possible. The items that establish certain of the DAR app/affadavit claims to be errors, are, in fact, Primary Source. The Fishkill baptism and Murray Cemetery record provide the date matches to the certified bible records, establishing Maria's true lineage. The Fishkill birth record is also a match to Maria VS Eastling's cemetery record. Luther Eastlings land record near Cornelius of Murray...Coincidence?, I think not. Maria VS Eastling had a son named Ferdinand. If she were the Maria born to Cornelius of Murray, she would have a brother named Ferdinand....coincidence? I think not.

Now, to Ed's "Cornelius":
Cornelius VS married to Catherine Johnson has been established to be an error in both the application and affadavits. This Cornelius' will, the baptisms of his children with both wives, his death record, etc...all stand to disprove the claim that this couple could be Maria's parents. They never left New York, Cornelius died in 1806 not 1850, he had a daughter named Maria(by his first wife, not by Catherine Johnson), but she never left New York and did not marry an Eastling. To date, all known Primary source records fail to support the claims that:
A. Maria's mother was Catherine Johnson
B. Maria's father served in the Revolution

Existing records show both of those claims to be false. The "Oath" of the affadavits carries no special weight, because people lie under "Oath" in court every day. While I don't believe Fanny and Ferdinand were intentionally lying, I do believe they were misled by Violet Voorhees erroneous marriage and service records into making the false statements.

Maria VS Eastling, wife of Luther Calvin Eastling, was clearly the daughter of Cornelius VS of Murray and wife Hannah Lawson, as all known PRIMARY SOURCE records well establish. The burden of proof, therefore, falls with Mr Gusman. He claims the family statements are acurate, therefore he should be prepared to present Primary source documents to establish that acuracy. It is very clear that Violet simply made some critical research errors, and Fanny/Ferdinand merely repeated her errors. The absence of any source documents to support the DAR/affadavit claims demonstrates that this is a simple case of errors being repeated over and over, or as I prefer to call it, "Family Folklore".

So, once again I say to Mr Gusman:

If you have any pre-1868(Maria's date of death) records/documents pertaining to this family and supporting the claims of the deponents, then present them. If not, it is long past time to start researching, because the affadavits, by themselves, prove nothing except that people make mistakes.


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