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Re: Catherine Johnson?
Posted by: Van Date: July 06, 2001 at 05:55:51
In Reply to: Catherine Johnson? by Richard Alan McCool of 1585

Richard,

I appreciate the compliment...it has been rough at times. I am very happy to see you make an appearance, considering the fact that Mr Gusman continually uses your name as proof that Maria VS Eastling could not belong to the family of Murray, Ontario, though a clear paper trail says she does. Mr Gusman's case rests solely on the exact spelling issue, despite the fact that family writings and the Notaries certification do not use his preferred spelling exclusively.

I,too, am unclear as to the purpose of this unnecessary exchange. The lineage has been proven for nearly a year now, with numerous name/date matches from Eastling and Van Sicklen sources as evidence. You asked specifically about Catherine Johnson's role, so I will try to answer that specific point.

When Violet Voorhees applied to the DAR in 1906, she cited the marriage record of Cornelius Van Sicklen and Catherine Johnson, Jun 11, 1771, as the marriage record of Maria VS Eastling's parents, and the record of Cornelius Van Sicklen of the Mckinistry Regiment as Maria's father. Her application was initially denied. In 1907, she submitted 2 affadavits from her mother, Fanny, and Uncle Ferdinand...both children of Luther and Maria. Curiously, they contained the name "Catherine Johnson", as Maria's mother. Research, however, reveals that Catharine Johnson married to Cornelius in 1771 was the 2nd wife of Cornelius who was the widower of Femmentje Van Der Veer. Cornelius' will in 1806 clearly names his wife, Catherine, and 3 known children of Cornelius Van Sicklen and Catharine Johnson, plus all of the children baptised by Cornelius and Femmentje. It also names Cornelius' daughter, Maria, who, in 1806, is married to Simon Freer. This essentially eliminates Catherine Johnson of the marriage record as a possible mother of Maria VS Eastling. The problem: Because Fanny and Ferdinand said it was so under oath, it must be so. People do not make mistakes or lie under oath. At least that is Mr Gusman's belief. So,he rejects all records and clings desparately to the affadavits, hiding behind the spelling issue.

Below are some, but not all, of the records which identify Maria's true lineage:

Fact: Jul 8, 1795, Fishkill, New York, Cornelius Van Sicklen...son of Ferdinand (also Grandson of Cornelius Sr and Femmentje Van Der Veer)...married Annetje Lawson(exact spelling of the record).

Fact: On 12 Oct, 1798, Cornelius Van Sicklen and wife Hannah are one of six couples involved in the sale of William Lassing's land near Poughkeepsie to Evert Bogardus for $1,224. William was Hannah's grandfather. Hannah was baptised "Annetje Lassen".

Fact: New Hackensack, Oct 21, 1798, Cornelius Van Sicklen and Hannah Lawson baptise first born son Ferdinand. This same Ferdinand is buried in the Van Sicklen cemetery in Murray, Ontario.

Fact: The Eastling Bible records, certified by notary, give the birth of Maria VS, wife of Luther Eastling, as Sep 15, 1801. The fishkill DRC records a daughter, Maria, born to Cornelius F(note the "F") Van Sicklen and Hannah "Lossing" on Sep 15, 1801, baptised Oct, 1801. The previous entry, father of a child baptised the same day, is Matthew Lossing. Curiously, in Murray, Ontario, where Cornelius and Hannah lived on lot B29, a Matthew Lawson lived on B28. Lot 26C, Murray, was granted(United Loyalist grant) to Luther Eastling. Odd coincidence?

Fact: Cornelius of Murray died Mar 19,1850, as noted in the records of the Van Sicklen Cemetery of Murray, which have been published. Cornelius VS, father of Maria VS Eastling, according to the certified Bible entry, died in Mar, 1850...notary said the record was too indistinct to make out the exact date.

Fact: Maria born in Fishkill had a brother and a grandfather named Ferdinand. Maria married to Luther Eastling chose to name a son Ferdinand.

Fact: Ferdinand Van Sicklen, s.o. Cornelius and Hannah, served Canada in the War of 1812. Luther Eastling served Canada in the War of 1812. Coincidence? Or possibly the answer to how Luther and Maria met.

I can give you more specific references to any of the above records, if you wish. Since:
A. Catharine Johnson as cited in the DAR application has been proven NOT to be mother of Maria VS Eastling
B. Not 1 primary source record exists suggesting that a couple, Cornelius and Catherine, ever lived in Canada, or could be Maria's parents.
C. Existing records clearly identify Cornelius and Hannah of Murray as Maria's parents

It is my conclusion that Fanny and Ferdinand were unsure of their grandmother's maiden name, and simply used the one provided them by Violet Voorhees... a name she took from a marriage record for a couple known to NOT be Maria's parents. Consider that Fanny and Ferdinand's last contact with their grandmother was in the 1840s(Luther and Maria moved from Ontario, Canada to Wisconsin), and that their mother had died in 1868, but the affadavits didn't come until 1907.

Your comments are most welcome.

Van


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