Thank you so much for the info. The child Mabel was my grandmother. David, I believe, also died as a child but everyone was always very hush. hush about him, it was my impression that he was severly retarded. I would like to have the children's ages if possible. Mabel, Maud, and Harry I know were Hasbroucks but I am not sure about David. Alvin was a Jones. I never knew anything about the other child that died but if she gave any additional info about that one I would appreciate that also. I also had been unable to get a birthdate for Emma except for a range before so that was helpful, they didn'st mention the actual date in October, did they? I do know that Emma married Martin 9/24/1884 but did not have a date for her marriage to Ira. I even have an old photo of Emma and Ira with a baby but no idea who the baby was. Do you happen to knwo what area of Kingston was 9 ward? Sorry for so many questions but I have up against a stone wall with Emma for so long.... I am also looking into the trees you mentioned and one of them have an Emma that was born in Wales abt. 1865, any mention of her birth location in the census? Anyway, thank you again, I'll be looking forward to hearing from you again. Feel free to email me direct.