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Re: Rachel Lee &Hortense (?which Rachel and who is the father will we everknow)
Posted by: Kristie Lana (Reynolds) Davis (ID *****0796) Date: January 07, 2004 at 10:18:44
In Reply to: Re: Rachel Lee &Hortense, 1870 Census lookup please by Kim Mohler of 1704

Kim you are a dear. And a big help.
Family rumor has it that little Hortense was sent from Virginia to Kentucky for Safety reasons during the war.... the family who she traveled with "kidnapped her" (according to Hortense's Hortense was a romantic and stories can change over time) and she claims they were good to her at first but then was worked as a servant ...she didn't get back to her mother for several years. Don't know if I have the story straight of course but I am looking into any little hint out there. Looks like Hortense became a domestic servant when she was so young. Maybe she is with this mystery family in 1870...she would be nine years old. It is rumored that her father was part Cherokee Indian...whatever race he was it is possible that Hortense's father was not white and maybe that is why she was left to servantry. Many dark skinned people claimed or tried to claim Cherokee ancestry in order to explain their dark skin when of mixed race in order to help with their cival rights as the blacks had no rights.

Where did you see the the marriage record for Rachel Lee and James Taylor? I can't seem to find it online. This is a good possiblity for Hortense's father as a cousin thought his name was maybe Jim Turner.

Looks like the Rachel I'm looking for was married more than once.

The Rachel Lee's you mentioned who married Mr Fletcher was only 16 in Russell County when Hortense was born. See the census below. She is a good possiblity
This Rachel Lee married a Fletcher according to the records posted oh the Russell Co VA website.

1860 Census Russell Co Virginia New Garden Township 1860, part 1
house, last name, first name, age, sex , color occupation real personal birthplace misc
801 Lee Mathias 43 m Tailor 97 illiterate
Elizabeth 33 f
** Rachael 16 f
Robert 13 m school
Charles 11 m school
Martha 5 f
802 Lee Robert R. 30 m Clerk 25
Mary 30 f House Keeper
803 Lee Elvira 41 f Seamstress
Loueasy 19 f House Keeper

(So Hortense was possibly born out of wedlock if this is the same Rachel Lee.)
Alexander Mathias Lee and his wife's place of burial are posted on this cemetery site
A.M Lee was a slave owner. He and Eliza had a baby the same year Hortense was born. If Rachel was their daughter than she and her mother were both having babies around the same time. I was looking into the Fletcher husband for Rachel Lee but just not sure about him. Here is the link to their marriage record, thank you.

Do you have more info on the census you found for 1870 Rachel Lee and Henry C Bates???
Brian Caudill has an annotated census of Whitesburg, Letcher KY which lists as follows. I wonder if it is correct for this Rachel's parents?

1870 Precinct #2
108 BATES,
Henry C. 25 KY (s/o James Bates & Elizabeth Adams)
Rachel 28 KY (d/o David Lee & Sarah Taylor)

So this Rachel, if is Hortense's mother doesn't have the 9 year old Hortense with her in 1870....which fits the story Hortense gave us. Assuming this is correct for this Rachel's parents...I went looking into David Lee and his wife..... here is this Rachel??? but they not in Russell Co Virginia where Hortense was born. hmmmm

1850 Harlan County, KY Census
315-Dwelling houses numbered in the order of visitation
315-Families numbered in the order of visitation
The Name of every Person whose usual place of abode on the first day of June 1850, was in this family.
Name Age Sex Occupation Value of real estate owned Place of birth Married within the year Attended School within the year Persons over 20 years of age who cannot read or write Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, idiotic, pauper or convict
David Lee 26 M farmer 240 Kentucky - - marked - (Is this David Lee and Sarah Taylor or David lee and Sarah Bates?)
Sarah Lee 26 F - - Kentucky - - marked -
Jane Lee 06 F - - Kentucky - - - -
Rachel Lee 05 F - - Kentucky - - - -
Stephen Lee 03 M - - Kentucky - - - -
Joicy Lee 02 F - - Kentucky - - - -

1860 Harlan County, KY Census
Name Age Sex Occupation Place of Birth
David Lee Jr. 33 M farmer KY (Is this the Same David Lee should be age 36?)
Nancy Lee 30 F household duties VA (Where is Sarah (Taylor) Lee?)
        Jane Lee 17 F domestic labourer KY
       ?** Rachel Lee 16 F - KY (?b. 1843-1845)
       Stephen Lee 15 M farm labourer KY
       Joicy Lee 12 F - KY
       George Lee 07 M - KY
       James Lee 06 M - KY
        Andrew Lee 05 M - KY
       Mary Lee 02 F - KY

I think I am going crazy trying to find the Real Rachel Lee but having fun. Any more ideas?

thanks so much for your time with this
Kristie Lana (Reynolds) Davis
Washington State

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