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Re: Brown-Thurman-Grant-Phelps connection Bedford County Va
Posted by: Freddy Brown (ID *****7463) Date: April 19, 2012 at 09:10:20
In Reply to: Re: Brown-Thurman-Grant-Phelps connection Bedford County Va by Pat Dobson of 1954

Hi Pat,
Thanks for the info. I have your John Payne as the son of Flayle Payne and Jane Booth(?). In this family of John and Mary I have:
Thomas, Elizabeth, Catherine, Margery, John, William and Sarah. I'm not sure if I have them all correct at this point. You might help me verify the family.

I also have that Flayle Payne left John Best some land in his will. The Best family also married into my Brown clan in Bedford. John Best and Drucilla's daughter, Elizabeth Best, married George Thomas Brown, the brother of my oldest ancester, Dance Brown, both sons of Edith Brown, who married John Grant.

I have often thought John Grant was from Loudoun County, Va. based on several facts, one being the proximity to Maryland. John Grant's daughter Keziah, who married my Dance Brown, is listed in her son's census as being born in Maryland. Plus there is much about a John Grant in Loudoun Co., Va. The following is what I have on that John. I do know his wife prior to Edith Brown was named Lydia Violet, but I have not found who she was. Some data on the web suggests that she was Lydia Violet LACEY/LACY. I have found no proof yet. Here are my notes on John Grant of Loudoun County:
Possible John Grant data:

1773-It is questionable as the whether this land plat is related to my John Grant and Brown family, but the names and dates require me to mention it in this record:
"Orig. date of a land plat in Montgomery (Fincastle) Co., Va. of 217 acres originally surveyed for Frances Muncey in 1776. It was first settled in 1774. Then transfered to John Grant on Feb. 28, 1776, and by him to Thomas Brown on Jan 13, 1778. Then ordered to Edward Billips by the Comm. in Sept. 1782."

1778 - In Loudoun County, Virginia tithable lists--
John Grant is listed as a tithable charged to Joseph Baldwin, Sr. In
household is Joseph Baldwin, Sr., Joseph Baldwin, Jr., and John Grant.

1782/3 - John Grant is listed in the Personal Property Tax Rolls for Loudoun Co., Virginia for 1782 and 1783. He disappears from the tax rolls in 1784. At the same time Mary Harris and her son William also disappear from Loudoun County. Mary later appears in Botetourt County. John Grant is in Botetourt County Personal Property Tax Rolls in 1787. Property Tax Rolls in 1787. Also listed in the tax rolls for Botetourt are a Samuel Baldwin and William Harrice.

1783-John Grant living with Joseph Baldwin, Sr., Joseph Baldwin, Jr., and Frances Baldwin in Loudoun Co., Va. according to the property tax information.

1784-John Grant left Loudoun Co., Va. along with others around that time.
There were 2 John Grants in Loudon personal tax lists of 1782. One was
gone in 1783 and one still there in 1790. Our's left.
Samuel Harris 4 CHILDREN (William, David, Joseph, Ann):
1. William was in Bedford Co.
a. Samuel m. Margaret Holmes.
b. William m. Eliz. Holmes (sister). When Wm. died,
Eliz. married Sam'l. Oliphant.
(Jesse Brown & Dice sold land in Bedford Co. to Sam'l Oliphant on
Beaver Dam Branch. Also Joseph Blankenship sold to Joseph Brown in 1795 land on Bedford Co.'s Beaver Dam Branch. Also Anthony Pate sold to Jesse Brown south of Beaver Dam Branch adjacent to Joseph Payne.

2. Samuel Jr. m. Mary Pettit in Botetourt also had children: William and Samuel. When Samuel Jr. died, Mary (widowed) in same tax area as her sons Wm. and Samuel and also John Grant. By 1784, they left Loudoun Co. for Botetourt County.
1787-There is a William Harris in same dictrict as John Grant - also a Samuel Baldwin. These Baldwins and Harris families lived in the same area in Loudoun as Richard Brown family.

If you have anything proving that the above John Grant is the same one in Botetourt and Bedford County by late 1780s, I would really appreciate it.
Freddy Brown

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