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Re: Irish Tyners
Posted by: Step Tyner (ID *****3758) Date: April 12, 2006 at 16:48:06
In Reply to: Irish Tyners by John Tyner of 1368

My own cursory investigations of US census and immigration data indicate that quite a few Tyners came from Ireland, many of them in the 18th century. Undocumented factoids from the LDS Web site also indicate births and christenings and marriages of Tyners in Ireland. As to how many remained there, I have no clue.

Interestingly, however, I do not believe I have ever seen a religion specified for an "Irish" Tyner other than Church of Ireland (i.e., the Anglican rather than Roman Catholic religion). This strongly suggests that the Tyners who emigrated from Ireland had gone there originally either as adventurers or colonists from England. Remembering the dispossession of Irish landlords and tennants, it is not surprising that large numbers of both English (which I presume most Tyners to have been) and Scots colonists were needed to work the absentee landlords' farms, mend the plows, sell the thimbles, and the like. The migration is too well documented to bear repeating here, except to note that the Scots colonists in (principally Northern) Ireland,who later styled themselves in America as Scots-Irish, were mostly descended from Irish Celts who had migrated to Scotland centuries before in the first place.

Though these Anglo-Irish Tyners may have come to America after several generations' residence in Ireland, and perhaps even considered themselves Irish, one suspects that their oppressed Catholic Irish bretheren had a different slant on things.

For all of the above reasons, I have been known to irritate other posters by insisting that Tyner is not properly an Irish name. No offense meant, but as Maureen O'Hara says to Natalie Wood when the latter insists that Edmund Gwen, the department store Santa Claus, is the real deal because he was able to speak to a little refugee child in perfect Dutch: "I speak French, but that does not make me Joan of Arc."


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