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Re: Henry Tom Tyler
Posted by: Joan E. Rambo (ID *****8863) Date: March 08, 2005 at 11:29:41
In Reply to: Henry Tom Tyler by James Wood of 65481

I agree with Hugh about questioning the information for Isaac on World Connect. I always say be careful of anything posted on there. Some is very good and accurate, but many are full of errors. I call some of those people "name gathers." They gather what they see on other sites, and never follow up to see if the sources are even correct.

I followed Henry and Amanda/Mandy from 1880 census through 1930, from LA through Ellis, Hill and Limestone Co,TX. He uses middle initial of "T" on at least 3 censuses.

On the 1860 census Rapides Parish, LA Isaac Tyler does not show a Henry T. in his household. There is a Thomas age 8, but someone has him down later with middle initial of "J." The World Connect family for Isaac does not show ages for about 6 of his children, if the researcher had seen the 1860 census they would have had at least the approximate ages for those children of Isaac. Right there waves a red flag to me. Site also shows children born 1858 and 1861 in Sabine, but Isaac is in Rapides for the 1860 census -- another red flag???

On that 1870 census Rapides Parish, LA, a Henry Tyler 11, is in the household of James Robinson, take a look at that. On previous page is a Jacob Tyler, 45, b TX, he has 3 boarders, one of them is a William SELF 26, b LA -- some kind of tie between the Tylers and Selfs right there??? Now, on the 1860 census Henry does not show up, but if this were my family I would check out land and probate records for Jacob, see who shows up as his heirs. The 1870 census shows Jacob with land. Is Henry one of the heirs? I would back track on Jacob, if not a father to Henry, maybe an uncle? Find Jacob with his father and you might nail down father to Henry, too.

Guess what I found on the Sabine Parish, LA GenWeb site? They have the 1850 census;

Tyler, Thomas, 35, b AL - land $400
" Tabitha, 28, b LA
" James, 13, b LA
" Mahala, 10, b LA
" Nancy, 9, b LA
" Mary, 7, b LA
" John, 4, b LA
" Isaac, 1, b LA
" Jacob, 23, b TX -- here is Jacob and I bet he is bro to Thomas. I would follow up on this Thomas, sure looks like a good possibility he is father to your Henry Thomas.

Well, Thomas stays in Sabine, and does not show a Henry in his household in 1860. But, there's got to be some kind of tie there. I still would look at land and probate records in Sabine and Rapide Parishes.

Since you know when and where Henry and Amanda died, have you obtained a copy of their death certificates? They should show the names of their respective set of parents.

Here's what I found on the Selfs on the 1880 census one family between Henry and Amanda.

1880 census San Patrice, Sabine Parish, LA:

William LATHAM Self M Male W 53 TN Farmer --- ---
Mary M. LATHAM Wife M Female W 38 AL Keeping House AL AL
William W. LATHAM Son S Male W 17 LA Farm Laborer TN AL
Henry H. LATHAM Son S Male W 10 LA At Home TN AL
Thomas SELF SSon S Male W 13 LA At Home LA AL
William W. SELF SSon S Male W 10 LA At Home LA AL
Julia A. SELF SDau S Female W 8 LA LA AL
Hannah LATHAM Dau S Female W 7 LA TN AL
Charlotte LATHAM Dau S Female W 4M LA TN AL

1870 census Sabine Parish, LA:

Self, James, 42, b LA
" Martha E., 23, b AL
" J. Jefferson, 13, b LA
" Amanda, 11, b LA
" James, 10, b LA
" Mary, 4, b LA
" Thomas, 2, b LA [the Thomas 13 on above census]

1860 census Sabine Parish, LA:

Self, James, 30, b LA
" Matilda E., 18, b AL
" John J., 2, b LA
" Amanda, 4/12, b LA

And guess what, top of the next page is Jacob Tyler, who has the Self in his household.

1900 census Sabine Parish, Mary E. Latham 62 is still there and now a widow.

I suggest you look at the 1850 census on that GenWeb site for Sabine Parish. There is a James Self 32, b LA, with what looks like a wife named Catherine 18. On previous page is a John Self 52, b VA, might be father of James. Something to work on, anyway.

Also, on that GenWeb site there is a Matilda Largen Self Latham buried Cassel Cemetery. I would say that is the lady on above census records shown as Mary, Matilda and Martha - you know how unreliable census records are.

You might try posting on the Records Lookup forum, see if someone could look at the records for that Matilday buried in Cassel Cemetery. I think her maiden name is actually Largent. Look at the 1850 census for the GenWeb site, there is an M.E. Largent 8, b AL, sure would fit.

Well, it gives you something to play around with.

Happy Hunting (^_^)

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