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Re: Indiana Tollivers
Posted by: Barbara Finney (ID *****0371) Date: July 12, 2004 at 21:48:39
In Reply to: Re: Indiana Tollivers by Helen Fallon of 626

Hello Helen,

You may be on to something here. I have a lot more info on the family than when I last posted. I know there are not that many Earl Hollidays from Indiana in the 1800's the only one I have ever found online so far is my Great-Uncle Earl the brother of my grandmother Ethel Clara and both of them were 2 of the 3 children of Ambrose S Holliday Jr, and Ella Tolliver. And the Shepherd family is also linked to mine very heavily as I know my grandmother spoke of an "Uncle" Harry Shepherd who left her some money, her and her sister Inez. But how he was their uncle is unclear to me to this day. A 14 year old Harry Shepherd appears with Ambrose and Ella and Earl and Inez on the 1880 Census. But how can he be uncle to the kids without being either a Holliday or a Tolliver? That always puzzled me.

Then I learned that later in 1891 Sarah Holliday the sister Of Ambrose Jr. maries a Granville Warren, and Inez sometime in t the 1890's I forget the exact year and I don't have my notes handy, she marries a Walter Shepherd. I have no clear idea at this time how Walter and Harry Sheperd are related or if they were. Now you bring in this John W. Shepherd and I am really scratching my head... I suspected that when Ella Tolliver Died Inez may have gone to live with Tippiecanoe relations on the Toliver Side. Earl and my grandmother Ethel seem to have been raised in Fountain Co. by first their grandmother Abigail Kies and later Sarah or possibly the other sister Hannah though I have not found many records of Hannah other than her appearance on the 1860 or 1870 census. The family lore goes that it was a "maiden" aunt that raised my grandmother after her mother died shortly after her birth. But I can't find my grandmother and this maiden aunt together on any census records. Probate records have her grandmother my gggranmother dieing in March of 1891 and interestingly in her will she leaves the bulk of her estate to her daughter Sarah, and her two grandchildren Earl and Ethel. Inez is not mentioned nor is Ambrose her son nor is Hannah her older daughter. Inez would have been about 12 or 13 at the time of her death too young to have done anyting to offend her grandmother so as to be cut out of a will. Hannah may have died or married or something. I have not paid too much attention to Hannah as yet. I have enough on mysteries regarding this family as it is. Abigail Kies Holliday also does not mention another grandchild who should have been alive by then, that would be Jennifer "Renick" Holliday, the only daughter of Ambrose Holliday Jr. and his 2nd wife Maggie Renick. He divorced her I am not sure when and don't really care as my great aunt Jennie was a bit mean to my mother. And Maggie Renick would not let Jennie play with my grandmother as she said my poor little grandmother was too "wild." The poor motherless thing had a right to be wild if she was, she was not watched carefully enough at some point for she had a very bad accident by falling on the corner of a wood crate or box as a child and it blinded her in one eye. She also later in life lost her hearing due to a strep infection in her throat or something like that. So she had a hard time in life being partially blind and totally deaf. So I am not to keen on the stuck up Renick relations right now. I know nothing of the Darnel cousins in Ark, the children of Ambrose and Lula or Lulu Darnel, I have found zero records of Ambrose Holliday in Ark, what I do know comes from letters written to my mother by her aunt Vesta Holliday, the wife of Earl Holliday. I still puzzle over what drew them all except for Inez down to Ark from Indiana as my mother had no idea why, nor why they left Ark eventually for West Texas where my uncle and mother were born.

But the Toliver connection has been a big brick wall for a long time. And as for your Archibald that might tie in to the Kies family as the father of Abigail Kies Holliday was Archibald Kies. But boy have you opened up a whole new slew of questions about the Tollivers in my line and their links to Shepherds, HOllidays and Kies...???? We need to talk.


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