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NC, Thames Family-Corrections "Proud to Remember"
Posted by: Walter Gabennesch (ID *****4969) Date: May 22, 2002 at 10:29:21
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I have seen a lot of queries on different lists seeking corrections to the Vera Marshall book “Proud to Remember”. I am only knowledgeable about the NC Thames family and the first generation that moved out so I am only interested in them. I have tried to correct the NC portion of her book and it is impossible to come up with a format that makes it understandable. You tend to get bogged down in explaining her false premises, which she builds on with incorrect genealogy. She shows no documentation. If you are interested in the correct genealogy of the first two generations of the Bladen/Cumberland Co. Thames family just use the following genealogical report and forget the Marshal book and any other you may have. If you doubt this report print it out and compare it with the book and any other genealogy you have of these two generations. See which one makes sense to you. I have hesitated for a long time in doing this. There is so much “Bad Stuff” out there. I feel forced to make this post.


Descendants of Thomas Thames


Generation No. 1

1. THOMAS1 THAMES was born Abt. 1710, and died March 1758 in Bladen County, North Carolina. He married PRUDENCE Abt. 1728. She was born Abt. 1710, and died Abt. 1760 in Bladen County, North Carolina.

Notes for THOMAS THAMES:
Thomas & Prudence Thames with their family came to Bladen Co. from Craven Co. NC by 1750 and bought land there. There is a court record of Thomas Thems in Craven Co. as late as 1748. Will was written March 6, 1758 probated April Court 1758 Bladen Co. NC, in it he also leaves land in Craven County to Thomas, one of his sons. Will was recorded as Thomas Thomas it was witnessed by Josiah Evans and brother Jonathan Evans in 1758. Josiah and Jonathan were the brothers of Mary Evans who is purported to have married Cornelius Thames one of the sons of Thomas. All of Thomas Thames children and wife Prudence are named in his Will. The dates of birth of Thomas, Prudence and their children have been estimated by me and some are contrary to the dates estimated or implied by Vera Marshal in her book "Proud to Remember" and other books published since. The purpose of estimating these dates is to better try to determine a time line for this family as it either dies in, or moves out of, Bladen Co. NC. That seems important when searching for people with these names in SC and other Southern States. The 1763 Bladen County tax list shows three Thems paying a poll tax which means they were at least 16 years of age. We know the son Joseph, who remained in NC, is married and probably in Cumberland Co. in 1763. He also was of age. This seems to indicate that three of his brothers were still alive and in NC in 1763. We believe they went to SC by 1770.

Joseph Thames the son of Thomas was either the oldest or he became the oldest surviving heir, according to the "Laws of Primogeniture" of the time, when Cornelius died. I believe it was the latter.

Will of Thomas Themes 6 May 1758 Bladen County NC: "To my loving wife Prudence Themes one Hundred acres of Land Being the plantation where I now Live Etc. To my Daughter Phebe Themes and to my Daughter Marcy Themes I give a bed & furniture & a chest of drawers. The Land above mentioned after the decease of my beloved wife I give and bequeath unto my Son Samuel Themes & his heirs and assignees forever. Also to my son Joseph Themes I give the sum of five Shillings also I give unto my son Cornelius Themes the sum of five Shillings also I give unto my Son Thomas Themes one hundred acres of Land Lying in the provence above and the County of Craven on the Flat Swamp also I give unto my sons John Themes & Amos Themes two hundred and twenty acres of land lying on Dunns Creek to Be Equally Divided Between Each of them. Mentions daughters Elizabeth Themes and Pricilla Dunn."
Wit: Josiah Evans & Jonathan Evans Jr. Signed by Thomas Themes



       
Children of THOMAS THAMES and PRUDENCE are:
       i.       PRISCILLA2 THAMES, b. Abt. 1729; m. DUNN.

Notes for PRISCILLA THAMES:
This marriage is from Marshal's book. I can't verify or dispute it.

       ii.       CORNELIUS THAMES, b. Abt. 1730; d. Abt. 1760, Bladen County, North Carolina; m. MARY EVANS, Abt. 1752, Bladen Co. NC; b. Bladen County, North Carolina; d. Bladen County, North Carolina.

Notes for CORNELIUS THAMES:
Probably died young in NC. I base my supposition that Cornelius was the oldest son of Thomas Thames on the fact he was the son who witnessed the first purchase of land by Thomas in Bladen Co.

Bladen Co. DB 23, pg 184 - 12 June 1750 Robert Dunn to Thomas Thimbs, for pds 100, 100 acres on sw/s of NW River a short distance below Dunn's Creek, part of a patent to John Dunn, by him conveyed to Richard Dunn.
Wit: Richard Dunn, Cornelius Thims -- Recorded, 4 July 1750
The witnessing of this deed by Cornelius Thims, indicates to me he was the oldest son of Thomas Thimbs.

I speculate that a strong case can be made for the demise of Cornelius, wife Mary, mother Prudence and brother Samuel to have occurred very close to the same date. This would not be uncommon because of the many diseases which regularly visited the low lying areas along the Cape Fear River, to include Malaria. This would account for the land that Samuel inherited passing to Joseph and not Cornelius. This would also account for the 1763 poll tax showing "three Thems" in the household of Jno. Mclendel. I would further speculate that these "three Thems" could have been Thomas, John and Amos.

2.       iii.       JOSEPH THAMES, b. Abt. 1732; d. 1780, Bladen County, North Carolina.
3.       iv.       MARCY (MERCY) THAMES, b. Abt. 1734; d. 1816, Cumberland County, North Carolina.
       v.       PHEBE THAMES, b. Abt. 1735.
       vi.       ELIZABETH THAMES, b. Abt. 1737; m. WILLIAM KIRKPATRICK.

Notes for ELIZABETH THAMES:
This marriage is speculative but is based on court minutes that indicate this probability.

       vii.       AMOS THAMES, b. Abt. 1743.

Notes for AMOS THAMES:
May have moved to SC by 1770.

       viii.       THOMAS THAMES, b. Abt. 1745.

Notes for THOMAS THAMES:
Probably moved to SC by 1770.

       ix.       JOHN THAMES, b. Abt. 1747.

Notes for JOHN THAMES:
Probably moved to SC by 1770. He witnesses a deed in 1762 and there are indications he still owned land in Bladen Co. in 1768. Most of the Bladen Co. documents from that period were destroyed by a series of courthouse fires.

       x.       SAMUEL THAMES, b. Abt. 1749; d. Abt. 1765, Bladen County, North Carolina.

Notes for SAMUEL THAMES:
Samuel Thames died young, probably before 1763, in Bladen Co. NC. He did not marry. The property he inherited from his father returned to the estate and distributed according to the laws of primogeniture.


Generation No. 2

2. JOSEPH2 THAMES (THOMAS1) was born Abt. 1732, and died 1780 in Bladen County, North Carolina. He married MARTHA NEWBERRY Abt. 1753 in Bladen Co., North Carolina, daughter of JOHN NEWBERRY and ELIZABETH MATTHEWS. She was born Abt. 1737 in Bladen County, North Carolina, and died 1815 in Cumberland County, North Carolina.

Notes for JOSEPH THAMES:
The basis of the proof of the marriage of Joseph Thames to Martha Newberry is a deed of gift from her father John Newberry to his son's-in-law Joseph Thames and Peter Lord; Cumberland Co. DB-1, page # 358, 19 August 1760. This same property was sold in 1761, DB 1, page 455 by Joseph Thames and wife Martha. There are eleven other deeds between 1761 and 1769 showing sales by Joseph Thames and wife Martha. Will recorded in Bladen Co. Will Book 2, written October 11, 1780 names wife Martha. " I give to my sons" Jesse, Joseph and William. He also then records "my four children namely Thomas, Martha, John and Samuel". We don't know when the Will of Joseph Thames was probated. We are confident he died soon after it was written, as Martha appears as the property owner and tax payer on the 1781 Bladen Co. Tax Exempt document. The ages of Joseph and Martha's children are based on Bladen Co. Tax Records, obituaries, tombstone, the census and the wording of the Will which seems to name them in order of birth and indicates that the last four were children and so not of age.

Martha Thames, Cumberland Co. Will Book A page 218: 14 February 1814/June 1815 - Four sons Joseph, Thomas, John and Samuel Thames. Execs. Joseph and John Thames. Witnesses Charles McAlester, Elizabeth McAlester. Elizabeth McAlester was the daughter of Joseph Thames and the Granddaughter of Martha Thames. Jesse died about 1796/97, William died January 10, 1813.

Notes for MARTHA NEWBERRY:
Martha's mother Elizabeth Matthews is proved by Cumberland Co. D.B. 6, pg. 427, dated 12 Nov 1777.

Her Will written in 1814 divides property not already distributed between her four sons Joseph, Thomas, John and Samuel. No record of any division of her estate has been found.
       
Children of JOSEPH THAMES and MARTHA NEWBERRY are:
       i.       JESSE3 THAMES, b. Abt. 1753, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. Abt. 1796, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. ELIZABETH; b. Abt. 1750; d. Aft. 1811, Cumberland County, North Carolina.
       ii.       JOSEPH THAMES, b. August 15, 1758, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. August 01, 1819, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. (1) SARAH GAUSE, Bef. 1778; b. 1760, Brunswick Co. NC; d. January 08, 1801, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. (2) HANNAH GAUSE, Aft. 1816; b. Abt. 1760, Brunswick Co. NC; d. Aft. 1822, Cumberland County, North Carolina.

Notes for JOSEPH THAMES:
Will made February 28, 1818, Probated September 1819 Cumberland Co. NC. Names Hannah Thames, wife, as widow of Needham Gause (son Bryant Gause). He states in Will "If either Elizabeth McAlester or John Thames Gilmore (grandson) dies without issue then to brother William Thames' children: David Thames, Cornelius Thames, William Thames, James Thames, Ann Wiggins, Martha Cooper & Lucy Newberry". Elizabeth McAlester is his daughter; Stephen Gilmore was the husband of daughter Mary (Molly) Thames Gilmore, deceased. Joseph Thames is buried in the Thames - McAllister Cemetery along with his daughters and wife Sarah. Tombstone proves date of birth & death.

Notes for SARAH GAUSE:
Sarah Gause Thames is proved by her Will written in Brunswick Co. NC 1779 in which she names her husband Joseph Thames. This Will is witnessed by Wm. Gause, Needham Gause and wife Hannah Gause.

More About SARAH GAUSE:
Will: 1779, Brunswick Co. NC

       iii.       REVEREND WILLIAM THAMES, b. 1759, Cumberland County, North Carolina; d. January 10, 1812, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. LUCY, Abt. 1779, Cumberland County, NC; b. 1761; d. November 23, 1812, Cumberland County, North Carolina.

Notes for REVEREND WILLIAM THAMES:
Reverend William Thames was Pastor of the Cape Fear Baptist Church when it joined the Nuese Association in 1796. William and Thomas are shown jointly paying polls on the 1781 Bladen Co. Tax Exempt List. Nuncupative Will 10 January 1813 Bladen Co. NC witnesses Joseph Thames and Joseph Cain, Esq. Record in Bladen Co. Will book NPDF. The obituary of William and Lucy Thames appears in the book by Lois Neal titled "Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh NC. Newspapers 1799-1819". The obituary appears in a Raleigh Newspaper on Friday, January 22, 1813. "Died on the 23d of November last, Mrs. Lucy Thames, in the 51st year of her age; and, on the 18th inst., her husband, Elder William Thames, Pastor of the Cape Fear Baptist Church, in the 53rd year of his age. ...numerous and lovely offspring...." William's children are all named in his brother Joseph's Will. William was a pioneer Baptist Elder in the Nuese Association and was given the duty of traveling and preaching at many of the Churches in that Association. He is given credit with being an eloquent speaker with "great ability to spread God's Word". His son's David and Cornelius followed in his path as Baptist Ministers. There is no doubt, based on Bladen County tax records and his father Joseph's will, William was actually born before the month of October in 1759. The date of death that appeared in the Raleigh Newspaper conflicts with the date of 10 January 1813 on his will which appears to be correct. William was an RS.

No. 2368. State of North Carolina 20th March 1782
As an order for the District of Wilmington
This is to Certify that William Thims is allowed
The sum of five Pounds Three Shillings and Six pence
Specie for his Services in the Militia as Witnessed on
Pay-Roll No. 1114 Wilkson
Lewis Holmes. Clk Tho Routledges

When the Reverend William Thames died on 10 January 1813 he had an abundance of "Worldly Goods". The administrators of his estate David Thames (son), Joseph Thames (his brother) and Charles McAllester (Joseph's son-in-law) were required to post a bond of 1000 pounds, current money to the Cumberland Co. NC Court. This Administrators Bond was executed on 1 March 1813.


Notes for LUCY:
The birth and death dates of Lucy have been carefully calculated from her obituary and are believed to be accurate. Lucy's maiden name, we believe, absolutely could not have been Carver. The two Carver families of Bladen and Cumberland Co's. NC have been carefully researched by the eminent Cumberland Co. NC genealogist William C. Fields III, who is a descendent of both families, no Lucy.

       iv.       THOMAS THAMES, b. 1764, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. Aft. 1830, Georgia; m. UNKNOWN.

Notes for THOMAS THAMES:
Thomas is shown living with his brother William and paying a poll on the 1781 Bladen County Tax Exempt List. He is probably still living with William in 1784 since William is paying two polls that year.

       v.       MARTHA THAMES, b. Abt. 1767; m. MALICHI BURGES, Abt. 1780.

Notes for MARTHA THAMES:
Martha's marriage to Malachi Burges is proved by Cumberland Co. DB 16, pg. 158, a deed of gift of a slave girl "to my daughter Martha Burges and again DB 18, pg. 199, May 6, 1799.

Notes for MALICHI BURGES:
Malachi Burgess appears on the 1781 Bladen Co. Tax Exempt document and the 1784 Bladen Co. Tax List. He also appears with wife and children on the Cumberland Co. census several times.

       vi.       JOHN THAMES, b. 1770, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. March 26, 1832, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. NANCY, Abt. 1795, Cumberland County, NC; b. Abt. 1775; d. Aft. 1825, Cumberland County, North Carolina.

Notes for JOHN THAMES:
Known as Colonel John Thames. His date of death and age at death is taken from a Raleigh newspaper obituary. April 10, 1832: Died Cumberland Co. on 26th Colonel John Thames aged 62 years. His children are proved by deeds.

       vii.       SAMUEL THAMES, b. Abt. 1772, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. Aft. 1820; m. UNKNOWN, Abt. 1789, Cumberland County, NC.

Notes for SAMUEL THAMES:
Was still in Cumberland County as late as 1807 when he was Bondsman for the marriage of Amos Thames to Elizabeth Plummer, who was very probably his nephew and the son of Jesse or Thomas. My best guess is Thomas.


3. MARCY (MERCY)2 THAMES (THOMAS1) was born Abt. 1734, and died 1816 in Cumberland County, North Carolina. She married JAMES JACKSON. He was born Abt. 1730, and died 1810 in Cumberland County, North Carolina.

Notes for MARCY (MERCY) THAMES:
Mercy or Marcy was a member of the Core Sound MeetingHouse of Friends she had her certificate read in October of 1738. This Quaker meeting house was in Carteret Co. but encompassed Quakers living in Craven Co. Hinshaw NC Vol. I. One problem I have and can't find an answer to is "at what point is ones letter read at a meeting"? Is it read soon after birth such as a Christening or is it done later in life when she is aware of what is happening? Does it mean she has just moved to the area? If that were true why wasn't the letters of the rest of the family read? If I could find the answer to this question I could better determine the age of Marcy Thames.
       
Children of MARCY THAMES and JAMES JACKSON are:
       i.       ELIZABETH3 JACKSON.
       ii.       MARY JACKSON.
       iii.       NANCY ANN JACKSON, m. JOHN LEGGET, September 04, 1803, Cumberland County, NC.
       iv.       JOHN JACKSON, b. Abt. 1765, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. SARAH KIRKPATRICK.
       v.       WILLIAM JACKSON, b. Abt. 1768.
       vi.       THOMAS JACKSON, b. Abt. 1770.
       vii.       MARTHA JACKSON, b. 1770, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. Aft. 1820, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. ISAAC NEWBERRY, Abt. 1790, Cumberland County, NC; b. 1763, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. Abt. 1818, Cumberland County, North Carolina.
       viii.       JESSE JACKSON, b. February 28, 1772, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. November 21, 1840, Cumberland County, North Carolina; m. EMELIA ELWELL; b. 1775, Bladen County, North Carolina; d. March 11, 1847, Cumberland County, North Carolina.

Notes for JESSE JACKSON:
Birth and death dates taken from Jackson Family Bible and Tombstones.






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