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Sublette Estate - William Sublette
Posted by: genie voss (ID *****2973) Date: December 29, 2004 at 07:46:41
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Im reprinting this due to the fact It amusing
and at the end my take on the whole thing.

This is lengthy so Beware!! I live in St. Louis, Missouri, a few blocks from Sublette's home estate, which lies adjacent to the Missouri Botannical Gardens and Shaw's Tower Grove Park off Kingshighway.
It is now referred to as "The Hill" - the Italian section famous for its Italian restaurants.
My Great Grandfather, John G. "Jack" Sublette, was one of those who brought suit over the Estate of Mountain Bill in the 1890's up until he died in 1911. This fight led to the drop of the final "E" in my family's last name - an imformal, non-legalized decision to sort-of remove association to another group of Sublette's involved in the dispute.
St. Louisans remember my great grandfather as "Fighting Jack". It was this fight that spurred the Judges decision to exhume the believed remains of William's brother, Pinckney (sp?), who was supposedly killed by a bear, and have them brought to St. Louis from Wyoming for the Trial. The remains lay in the Famous Old Courthouse until the 1930's, when they were requested to be returned and to be reinterred during a centennial celebration in Laramie, WY (formerly Ft. William - after William Sublette.)
Typically, the Sublette's (My Family included) left everything to the "men" folk of their immediate families, with the provision that their widows'and/or sisters' "needs and provisions be met", to be carried out by a male sibling. At times the male sibling, if unmarried, would marry the Widow - in the case of Soloman. (Twisted but true!)
It is my understanding, based on my research and my one great uncle who died in 1976 in his early 90's (the son of the "Fightin' Jack") that a portion went to the Hereford family - William's in-laws, who were "gold diggin' money-seekers from Tuscaloosa, AL!", he retold (per a copy of a letter written to William's wife from her sister giving Kudo's to her sister for "marrying into money as father had planned and wished." Her father had brought her to booming St. Louis to marry a wealthy fur merchant or other businessman).
My Speculations to the whereabouts of the $$ and the estate: Much of the estate became the property of the City of St. Louis due to the the Supreme Court Ruling - including tracts of land near Union Station and Busch Stadium.
However, an additional deep, personal speculation of mine: There are listings in St. Louis for folks bearing the Hereford name - a dozen or so. I'm not sure if related to Mountain Bill's In-laws, highly possible based on my knowledge of St. Louis' history, but I haven't researched it for sure. Nonetheless, judging by the fact it is an Old St. Louis pre 1900's name much like the Busch's, Lemp's, Sublette's, Campbells, Chouteau's, Laclede's, et al; and they have a street named after them called "Hereford" located ironically on Mt. Bill's former estate along the River des Peres - coincidentally parallel to the streets Sublette Ave. and Sulpher Springs Ave.), and that there was at one time a few years back a listing for a Hereford that resided in one of St. Louis' old, exclusive Mansion districts along Forest Park (behemoth marble and granite estates built 1880-1920's in Italianate, Greek Revival and Gothic architecture with 20-some-odd bedrooms, 3-4 bedroom carriage houses, imported stained glass, carved mahogany grand stairwells, and you get the picture!) - I'd bet there's our answer! Besides, it appears that some descendants, if indeed they are, are living in the new very wealthy suburbs and are attornies and such - and I, being double related paternally and maternally down my father's line to Mountain Bill, end up a poor midwestern farm boy with no taste of a silver spoon - Something went awry! I have a strong suspicion that some of the monies went to the Hereford family - the only survivors of Mountain Bill's immediate family! (only two of the boys were married - to the same gal!)


Ok my take on this whole thing:
I heard years ago a story that has been told over and over again... Some times it looses a few details....
While my G,G,grandmother was on her death bed... someone from the state tried contacting her... The family ran them off. Their thinking they were tax collector's... They found out later that it had to do with the Will of William Sublette...(much years later)Stupid hicks..Sorry any relations. LOL
When the story got down to my generation... and as any good relation... "Where's my share" I took my family to the Arch in St Louis .... Dug some dirt up ... Handed each of my children a bag and said ... There's your inheritance.
They as small children just gave me a the funniest look...
Well the moral of the story is .... It wasn't meant to be..
Ok maybe just a pennies worth would help....




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