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(I'm trying to reach Lance Carter on this forum and the Carter forum.)
Dear Mr. Carter,
I hope that you are the Lance Carter referred to in some correspondence my mother received about Henry Carter, son of Elizabeth Stamper Carter Davidson. I'm a descendant of Elizabeth through her son, Daniel Nave that she had with Silas Davidson. My deceased mother was Colleen Fiscus of Las Vegas, NV, and later Grand Junction, CO. She passed away in 1999 and my sister and I inherited her research.
This week I found and reviewed some correspondence mom received from Barbara Carter of Ogden, UT. I tried to reach her by phone to run some ideas by her, but I was unable to locate her at the address on the mailing envelope or even in the vicinity. Inside the folder my mother has written two address, and I assume that one of them is yours.
Robert A. Pyle in Tulsa, OK
Lance Carter in Florissant, MO
Are you the Lance in this address? The material sent from Barbara Carter is dated 23 April 1998, and it states that it is taken from a Henry Carter Family Book, pages 1-24. The following researchers, correspondents, and individuals are named:
1) memories of Ellen Carter (Grandma Pyle), daughter of Henry Carter
2) Martha Stamper, researcher from Frankfort, KY
3) a letter from Dr. Jerry Cross, genealogist in NC dated 09 Aug 1985
4) excerpts from a letter to Lance Carter from Martha Stamper in response to Dr. Cross's letter
5) a biography of the Henry Carter from NC in Wilkes County Heritage, North Carolina
Now that I have established that background, I have some ideas that have been brewing in my brain to run by you. Most of this is purely conjecture, so I'm deciding if I should even pursue it. I hope I can state this clearly.
First of all, no one knows for certain who Elizabeth Stamper Carter's parents are. We know for certain that her birthdate is 22 May 1796 because it was recorded in the Silas Davidson family bible (most likely by son, Daniel Nave, because Elizabeth and Silas are listed as unable to read and write in census records). I have photocopies of the pages, and my Uncle Charles has the bible in his possession.
The Stamper family organization placed Elizabeth as the 10th child of 12 in the family of Joel Stamper and Nancy Cannady in their book Eastern Kentucky Stamper Kin, copyright 1999. Richard Stamper, who married Martha “Patsy” Carter, is listed as the oldest child of Joel and Nancy Stamper, and another Stamper researcher told me that Elizabeth Stamper Carter entered Kentucky in the company of Richard and Patsy Stamper.
Here comes the conjecture part:
Richard Stamper’s and Patsy Carter’s birthdates are listed as about 1778, and their marriage date is approximated as 1798 (all in Wilkes County, NC). Their children are listed as:
_______ Female, b. ca. 1800.
William Stamper, b. 1801, NC.
Joel Stamper, b. Sep 19 1804.
James W. Stamper, b. ca. 1810.
Matilda Stamper, b. ca. 1810, NC.
_______ Male, b. ca. 1810.
Ellis Stamper, b. ca. 1814.
John B. Stamper, b. 1814.
Jackson Stamper, b. Dec 1818.
_______ Male, b. ca. 1820.
Next, here is part of the information from the Silas Davidson family bible that I am going to refer to:
Washington G.W. Stamper
born Nov. 16, 1818
Nancy Stamper
born April 26, 1821
Washinton Stamper (spelled this way)
& Nancy Stamper
married May 31, 1837
Martha Jane Stamper
born Nov. 11, 1839
Elizabeth Stamper
born April 10, 1841
Isabell Stamper
born Dec. 30, 1843
John W. Stamper
born Jan. 6, 1846
--------------------
Elizabeth Folie [Eoff, Cole, Cobb ?]
born July 15, 1890
Those entries are from the same page. On another page, it reads:
A J Stamper
son of John B. Stamper
born June 4, 1842
My big question about those entries has always been WHY they are included in a family bible whose only other dates are for immediate family of Silas Davidson. No one in the Stamper Family Organization knows whom this George Washington Stamper belongs to at all, and they have only tentatively placed John B. Stamper as a son of Richard and Patsy Stamper. However, The A J Stamper named above has been identified as Andrew Jackson Stamper, son of John B. Stamper. The Eastern Kentucky Stamper Kin book states:
“We also suspect some kind of connection between George Washington and John B. Stamper, who married Tabitha Jones in Morgan County, KY, in 1833. John B. officiated at the marriage of George Washington and Nancy Nickel in 1837. John B. and wife also left Kentucky and were in Indiana by 1850.” [There is more. Do you have this book?]
Sooooooooo, here are the things I want to suggest:
1) Richard Stamper and Martha “Patsy” Carter’s marriage date was earlier than estimated (or their approximate birth years are inaccurate).
2) Elizabeth Stamper is a daughter (not sister) of Richard Stamper and Patsy Carter. She entered Kentucky in the company of her parents!
3) John B. Stamper and George Washington Stamper are Elizabeth’s brothers, and that is why they are included in the intimacy of a family bible. (She would know about John B.’s family while she was living in Indiana because he was living there too.)
4) Elizabeth Stamper was married in North Carolina to a Carter who is unknown to us at this time (not necessarily a Henry Carter).
5) Elizabeth’s oldest son, Henry Carter, is named after his great grandfather, Henry Carter, who was the father of Martha “Patsy” Carter.
6) Part of the discomfort Henry Carter felt over his birth was because he never knew his father. Also, when Elizabeth Stamper Carter married Silas Davidson in January 1832, Silas was a widower with children ages 19, 17, 16, 14, 12, and 10. Henry was 12. Silas and Elizabeth gave birth to my ancestor, Daniel Nave, on 06 Sep 1832. Poor Henry went from being an only child to having to share his soon-to-be- pregnant mother with five other children. It sounds like a possible recipe for disappointment.
The good news about Silas and Elizabeth’s mixed family is that Silas’s 1st family was very close to their half-brother Daniel Nave throughout his life. (At least, that is the way the story was passed along to me.)
I realize that this message is extremely long, but I have one more thing to include. It is posted on the Stamper Genforum as part of a message I sent to you privately, but it was returned.
In one of my grandmother's genealogy notebooks was a census record for a Carter family. She doesn't identify what year, but there is a scribble up in the corner where she has subtracted 33 from 1850, so I'm guessing it was from the 1850 census. Since I wrote to you privately about the family story of Henry Carter associating more closely with the Carter families of Indiana than the Davidsons, I thought I'd include my grandma's notes. I hope they will offer a clue.
57 Putnam Co. Ind.
James A. Carter 33 Ky Saddler
Cynthia 27 Tenn
Sarah J. 11 Ind
John E. 13 "
James T. 9 " (not sure if it's a "T")
Eliza A. 6 "
Elizabeth 3 "
I certainly hope to hear from you this time (or someone in the Carter and Stamper families who want to mull these ideas over).
Pam
P.S. I’m going to send a copy of this message to the address that I found in my mother’s research, too.
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