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Re: Shove brothers: Herbert, Gerald and Ralph
Posted by: Kathryn (Kate) Joseph (ID *****3228) Date: November 30, 2009 at 08:24:45
In Reply to: Shove brothers: Herbert, Gerald and Ralph by Charles Booth of 100

I am the granddaughter of Herbert Shove. I am the 4th daughter of this daughter Patience Moultrie Millen Mary by his first wife Guinevere Wren. He died before I was born. My older siblings did meet Gerald who I believe was my mother's godfather at Cambridge but he had died before I was born. I remember visiting Ralph and his wife Evelyn in Lincoln when a child and at one time we had his oar at our house along with a fair amount of his furniture.
Herbert married 2X. He had 4 daughters by his first wife and 3 sons by his second, Myrtle. The reason I was told he left the navy initially after WWI was due to the death of his first wife shortly after the birth of the 4th daughter. The lives of his sons were not happy. The eldest never married and lived with his mother in Burgess Hill, Sussex and worked as a postman. I remember him quite well. He died a couple of years after his mother. The second brother Andrew also lived in Sussex I believe and he died in a car crash when quite young. He had 2 children with his wife Phylis. I don't know very much about them but one of my sisters may remember. The youngest son John had 10 children with his wife Rosemary. One of my sisters knew that family quite well. They lived in Lancaster and I would have to get the details from her. He was an alcoholic and ended his life in a mental hospital. I always suspected there was more to the story since my mother was quite cagy about it.
The only 2 surviving daughters of Herbert are the 2 youngest, Monica Blythe and Mary. Monica did not marry, Mary had 5 children and we have had contact with the son David quite frequently. Neither Gerald nor Ralph had children. Fredegonde could not have children and seemed to be quite frail. Her pictures show her looking remarkably like Virginia. Geralds wife, who was blind when I knew her and quite beautiful had a son by her first marriage but was too old by the time she married Ralph. Noone knew for sure how much older than he she was but my mother's guess was between 15 and 25 years. He was a judge on the Family court at one point but refused to grant divorces so had to be asked to step down, or so the story goes.
I can probably give you quite a bit more social information and put you in touch with my brother and sisters to fill in the gaps.
All the brothers were wildly excentric and my mother was also. My father and Herbert met in West Africa and liked each other on sight. Both were beekeepers and potterers around in their gardens. My mother used to tell stories of the White rats which came home with her father on leave. It actually wasn't so odd since in submarines in those days the first sign of bad air was the white rats dying so many subs had one or a mouse on board. Herbert was also an avid cat keeper and had as well a harvest mouse called Festival. He also collected unusual musical instruments. We had a Jews harp which was his and a picture of him blowing a reindeer horn.
Anyway, please let me know if you want to follow up more. My mother used to tell such delightful stories of them and also the years in Ditchling, although she never liked her step-mother we concientiously went to visit her and had her visit us until her death.
All the best
Kathryn Lucy Waters (Glassborow) Joseph aka kate


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