Re: Jane Valentin-Isbell
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Re: Jane Valentin-Isbell
Mari Schmidt 7/07/11
Hi Mari,
From the info Alex gave you on the family of Robert Valentine and Elizabeth Blair I found this.
1841 FETTERESSO, KINCARDINESHIRE, SCOTLAND
ADDRESS: Allardice Street
VALENTINE
Robert, age 30, linen weaver HLW, born Scotland
Elizabeth, age 30, born Kincardineshire
John, age 10, born Kincardineshire
Robert, age 6, born Kincardineshire
David, age 1, born kincardineshire
** so David is a child not mentioned by Alex, but not in the IGI I guess.
***son Alexander is in 1841 census with Elspet Blair - they are in Fetteresso, also on Allardice Street.
BLAIR
Elspet, age 65,stocking knitter, born Kincardineshire
VALENTINE
Alexander, age 8, born Kincardineshire
1851 STONEHAVEN, FETTERESSO, KINCARDINESHIRE, SCOTLAND
ADDRESS: Allardice Street
VALENTINE
Elizabeth, age 43, head, housekeeper, born Fordoun, Kincardine
Alexander, age 18, son, weaver of linen, born Fetteresso
Elisabeth, age 8, daughter, scholar, born Fetteresso
Christina, age 4, daughter, born Fetteresso
Jane, age 10 months, daughter, born Fetteresso
Stephen, age 32, tailor, born Fetteresso (no relationship given)
** son John is a servant in Aberdeenshire
1851 KINCARDINE ONEILL, ABERDEENSHIRE
ADDRESS; Turnen Mill
VALENTINE
John, age 22, servant, woolspinner, born Fetteresso, Kincardineshire
Robert is also a servant
1851 ABERDEEN SOUTH, ABERDEENSHIRE
ADDRESS: 61 Green
VALENTINE
Robert, age 16, servant, app. baker, born Stonehouse, Kincardineshire
1861 OLD MACHAR, OLD MACHAR, ABERDEEN, ABERDEENSHIRE
ADDRESS: 58 Windmill Brae
VALENTINE
Elizth., age 53, head, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
Alexr., age 29, son, ship carpenter, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
Christina, age 15, daughter, domestic servant, born Stonehaven, Kincardinshire
Jean, age 11, daughter, domestic servant, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
John, age 21, boarder, seaman, born Glasgow, Lanark
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Robert is a baker's servant
1861 GLENMUICK, ABERDEENSHIRE
VALENTINE
Robert, age 26, servant, baker's serv. born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
I did not find son John in 1861
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As father Robert is not with the family in 1851 and 1861 I had assumed he had died but he may not have - this looks like him.
1851 BANCHORY TERNAN, KINCARDINESHIRE
ADDRESS: Upper Turning Mill
VALENTINE
Robert, age 44, lodger, weaver, born Arbroath, Forfarshire
Alexander, age 28, lodger, weaver, born Stonehouse, Kinshire
1861 BANCHORY TERNAN, KINCARDINSHIRE
ADDRESS: Chapel Brae Hollybank
VALENTINE
Robert, age 54, cotton & woolen weaver - hand loom, born Arbroath, Forfarshire
Elizabeth, daughter, age 18, dressmaker, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
1871 BANCHORY TERNAN, KINCARDINESHIRE
ADDRESS: Bath Street
VALENTINE (indexed as Calentine)
Robert, age 64, wincey weaver, born Arbroath, Forfarshire
Elizabeth, wife, born Fordoun, Kincardineshire
Alexander, son,wincey weaver, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
1881 OLD MACHAR, ABERDEENSHIRE
ADDRESS: 1-1/2 Well of Spa
VALENTINE
Robert, age 74, formerly weaver, born Arbroath, Forfarshire
Elizabeth, age 72, wife, born Fetteresso, Kincardinshire
Alexander, age 42, spirit dealer, born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire
WILLIAMS
John L., age 14, boarder, clerk - law, born Aberdeen
PIRIE
Robert V., age 4, grandson, born Aberdeen
** so looks like for some reason Robert was not with the family for 1851 and 1861 census except for daughter Elizabeth with him in 1851.
Daughter Jean/Jane is with them until 1861 so she either got married before 1871 in Scotland or she is your Jane and she left for US between 1861 and 1869 when she married.
In passenger lists their is a J.Valentine age 15 heading from Scotland to California in 1864 aboard the Caledonia - the image does not show an occupation for her - just that she is from Scotland going to California
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about J Valentine
Name: J Valentine
Arrival Date: 28 May 1864
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Place of Origin: Scotland
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination: California
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Caledonia
This could be your Jane as she did go to California - if so she travelled alone.
Carolyn L