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yDNA update -- curious discovery
Posted by: William L Lipton (ID *****7524) Date: January 15, 2007 at 16:44:02
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I drew his attention to the data established as the common Modal
DSY19/DSY388/DSY390/DSY391/DSY392/DSY393/

My yDNA modal is the 17-12-24-11-11-13, which and researching is what has gotten me involved. This should be the MODAL of Jeremias Shrecongast and most Schreck varient surnames in the United States.

If your line has males who can be tested, It is something worth proving. As explained below, it would appear that all those who are of this line have a possible tie back to the Lost Tribes of Israel -- specifically the tribes of Zebulun and Issachar.

I know there are those who will scarf at this, but there is hard evidence to establish we are all along the Silk Road which was founded by the Jews of the fifth century BCE. I, for one, want to confirm this association to whatever degree is possible -- if only because there is clear evidence that my yDNA was there -- thus an ancestor, and the children of that ancestor, was there. We have their bodies. Now the question is: Who else is of this line.

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As Dr Donon M. Behar is engaged in the study of Ashkenazi-Levites, I thought I would bring something to his attention – which indicates the Ashkenazi were part of the Diaspora of 588 BCE.

I use as references these papers – his being the first on the list::
1. Multiple Origins of Ashkenazi Levites: Y Chromosome Evidence for Both Near Eastern and European Ancestries.

2. Nuclear and Mitochondrial DNA Analysis of a 2,000-Year-Old Necropolis in the Egyin Gol Valley of Mongolia – by: Christine Keyser-Tracqui, Eric Crubezy, and Bertrand Ludes

3. The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East – by: Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman,
and Ariella Oppenheim

4. The Genetic Heritage of the Earliest Settlers Persists Both in Indian Tribal – by T. Kivisild, S. Rootsi, M. Metspalu, S. Mastana, K. Kaldma, J. Parik, 1 E. Metspalu, M. Adojaan, H.-V. Tolk, V. Stepanov, M. Golge, E. Usanga, S. S. Papiha, C. Cinniog¢lu, R. King, L. Cavalli-Sforza, P. A. Underhill, and R. Villems

5. Negligible Male Gene Flow Across Ethnic Boundaries in India, Revealed by Analysis of Y-Chromosomal DNA Polymorphisms – by: Majumder Nitai Pada Bhattacharyya, Priyadarshi Basu, Madhusudan Das, Srimanta Pramanik, Rajat Banerjee, Bidyut Roy, Susanta Roychoudhury and Partha P. Majumder

Not the occurrence of my Modal and, more importantly, the Modal 16-12-25-11-11-13, and the one mutation 16-12-24-11-11-13. I have not yet checked the Indian lists for the 15-12-24-10-11-13 but suspect he would find it is also prevalent.

The second paper states “This burial site is linked to the Xiongnu period and was used from the 3rd century B.C. to the 2nd century A.D.” As such the Modal there clearly predates assertions of conversion – concurrent with, or post, Khazar – as the basis for, or origin point of, the Ashkenazi.

By my calculation fifty-two (52%) percent of the Gol Valley graves – with sufficient yDNA for analysis and comparison – were Ashkenazi; but this is 800 year prior to the Ashkenazi appearance.

We know that the second diaspora is concurrent with the assumed beginnings of the Jewish presence on, or establishment of, the Silk Road to China. The Modals (both mine and the 6-12-25-11-11-13) establish that these were the families who journeyed that road. The appearance of both these Modals in the Brahmin population also infers an influence in the creation, or beginning, of that Caste and possibly the associated religion.

The Nebel et al paper (third paper) provided a racing/cultural/geographic connection for each Modal – all are within biblical territories associated with the Tribes of Zebulun and Issachar (also Naphtali, Asher & Dan, but I’ll focus on the tribes noted for Torah study.)

My belief is that there was a Biblical era admix with R1a Modals through the Phoenician, or Sea Peoples, and this was represented in the commerce by land and sea associated with the Canaanite region.

The Diaspora saw these people moved to Turkey, where some crossed the Caucasus Mountains into the area Herodotus identifies as Colchis. Going one step further, I suggest the North Africa association found in the Gol data is “Egyptian” as described by Herodotus in Book 2 – where he says the people of Colchis practice circumcision and resemble Egyptians (or Ethiopians) who also practice it (Noting that Herodotus makes no mention of an Israelite practice in 440 BCE).

Obviously, his work already establishes a Near Eastern yDNA origin. I requested he provide any further evidence to support this hypothesis – that the Ashkenazi might be the remnant of the original Tribes from the area of Galilee. I would also like any confirmation that my Modal appears in ancient sites in Judah/Israel.

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For reasons not relevant here, my "alledged" neice, Christina Lynn Schreck, is noted for disavowing my connection to her line. I disavowal which I will wilcome if it means her line is not from Jeremias and does not share this rich association and conection to history. Anyone in the line can get a free DNA test from SMGF.org -- it will only provide 12 markers, but that is sufficient to prove a connection to this historic line -- and to pave the way for a genealogy that is documented to 2,600 years.

Getting the test yields a connection which no "paper trail" genealogist can prove -- one which, from the papers cited (and other) is being worked on (LOL ... for free ...LOL) by some of the best medical minds in the field of Population Genetics.


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