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re sarah harris/ wilson??? cargill clary
Posted by: belva cauthen (ID *****8288) Date: March 18, 2009 at 15:04:13
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i have been corresponding with barbara vernon on the cargill forum re my interest that sarah cargill clary, widow of cornelius cargill and who remarried samuel clary, was a sister of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and his sister ann harris cunningham, wife of patrick cunningham, of laurens co, sc, children of my william harris, sr/ frances goode of lunenburg co, va, instead of the sister of this russell wilson, per this info here, which was published in patty meyers' book on the cargills, which, per the info, she found in a history of edgefield co, sc.

This is probably where the Wilson information came from:p.77 Patty Meyers book on the Cargills:

"Cunningham while on his great raid, stopped there in order to refresh his men and also put Smith to death, but a Tory begged Cunningham to allow Mr Smith a few moments to pray, which request was granted. The Tory then ran to the house of Russell Wilson who lived only a short distance from the store, north, and got Mrs.Carghile to help intercede for his life...Mrs. Carghile was Wilson's sister, and the widow of Capt Neely Carghile, who had been lately killed by the Whigs, She told Cunningham of Smith's great kindness to the widows and orphans of the murderedd Tories, which saved his life.

This is from "History of Edgefield" page 95

do any of you on the edgefield co, sc forum have this "history of edgefield co, sc" and does it cite a source for the info that sarah, widow of cornelius cargill, was a sister of this russell wilson?

i am also going to post here my reply to barbara on the cargill forum why the info has indicated to me that sarah was a harris, not a wilson, and a sister of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and his sister, ann harris cunningham.

if any of you on the edgefield forum can help with this, i would appreciate hearing from you.

belva harris cauthen

barbara

thanks so much for sharing this letter re sarah cargill clary's letter to her daughter tabitha warner and the info saying that sarah was a wilson.

i am going to reply here in more detail and in my own interest again re whether sarah was a wilson or a harris?

i take it your connection with this re the cargills is the vernon connections?

if so, was your vernon family part of john caldwell's presbyterian colony in amelia/ lunenburg/ charlotte co, va?

my william harris, jr's wife, my frances rodgers was the daughter of my john rodgers, sr/ margaret mcnees, who had also moved from lunenburg/ charlotte co, va to laurens co, sc ca 1770 and my rodgers family were part of john caldwell's presbyterian colony, who had moved to this cubb creek area of amelia/ lunenburg/ charlotte co, va from lancaster co, pa.

i corresponded with patty meyers before she published her book on the cargills and who sent me a number of pages. patty had that at that time that the john cunningham, who cornelius and sarah' s daughter nancy cargill married, was the son of our patrick and ann harris cunningham.

i knew that this was not accurate because patrick and ann harris cunningham's son, john cunningham never married.

i did not end up getting a copy of patty's book because i am a harris--- not a cargill and i knew patty did not know more about my harris family.

i have worked on my specific harris line and family for 30 years now and even when i do not have absolute proof, i still know what the info has and does indicate to me.

we are also participating in the harris dna project.

just briefly, this was my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers who was born ca 1746/ 1748 in lunenburg co, va and who died in 1799 in laurens co, sc and he was the son of my william harris, sr/ frances goode, daughter of my mackerness goode, sr, who i know were in lunenburg co, va by 1746 and, perhaps, a little earlier.

in 1749/ 1750, per early lunenburg co, va tithe lists, my william harris, sr/ frances goode; his father, my william harris/ judith hudson; his father-in-law, my mackerness goode, sr; my peter hudson, sr, etc, were all in cornelius cargill's district.

this cornelius cargill there in halifax/ lunenburg co, va was the father of john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley and grandfather of cornelius cargill/ sarah.

i have talked about this on some other of my posts but will re-mention here.

my william harris, sr/ frances goode; their son, my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers; my mackerness goode, sr; his son, our mackerness goode, jr; john cargill, sr/ rachel tinsley; their son, cornelius cargill/ sarah; my rodgers family, etc, all obtained these ca 1770 grants there in laurens co, sc, having moved there from this southside va lunenburg/ halifax/ charlotte cos, va area.

a tax or memorial had to be paid on these original grants in charleston.

patrick cunningham/ ann harris paid the tax for my william harris, sr's 300-acre grant; cornelius cargill/ sarah paid the tax for my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers' 150-acre grant and our mackerness goode, jr paid the tax for cornelius cargill/ sarah's 400-acre grant.

the 400-acre grant for cornelius cargill/ sarah was dated march 3, 1767, which would have been the time he applied for the grant; certified may 19, 1767; granted october 30, 1767 and, again, tax/ memorial paid for and signed for by our mackerness goode, jr on december 6, 1767.

the fact that cornelius cargill obtained this 400-acre grant shows that he and sarah were actually married even before they left this southside va area and that they had a number of children.

according to sc grant law or headright system in 1763, a person was allowed 100 acres for himself as headright and 50 acres for ones wife; 50 acres for each child under the age of 15 ( for sure sons had to be under age 15----not sure about daughters); and 50 acres also for each slave and/ or servant.

so, if one looks, then, at this 1767, 400-acre grant for cornelius cargill/ sarah, again, they are indicated to have been married and to have had several children before they had even moved to laurens co, sc.

again, i have not seen the info as to why it was believed that sarah was a wilson until you cited this excerpt from this edgefield co, sc history book.

i cannot say if this is accurate but much can be printed in books that isn't. so, if this were the only source of the info saying sarah was a wilson, i would definitely seek to verify this further.

i also cannot prove that sarah was a harris and a sister of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and their sister, ann harris cunningham, children of my william harris, sr/ frances goode, but, again, this is definitely what this info has shown to me.

again, as i have just stated, the cargills were very involved with my harris family not just there in this lunenburg/ halifax cos, va area, but also on into laurens co, sc.

i just do not find info that sarah was involved with any wilson family there in va or sc.

when cornelius cargill died there ca 1780 in this 96th dist, sc/ laurens co, sc area, it was my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and his uncle samuel goode, who paid, along with sarah, the security re his estate.

again, there are also a number of other laurens co, sc deeds/ records which connect sarah with both my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers and his sister ann harris cunningham. in fact, sarah, who, of course, remarried samuel clary and as sarah clary witnessed patrick cunningham's 1796 laurens co, sc will.

per also laurens co, sc deeds, sarah, also as sarah clary, also, along with my frances rodgers harris, gave depositions that land my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers had purchased for patrick cunningham belonged soley to patrick cunningham and that my william harris, jr had only acted as his agent in purchasing this land.

however, my william harris, jr and patrick cunningham did have a grant there together in laurens co, sc which he, then, sold his share to john cunningham, son of our patrick and ann harris cunningham.

again, despite the fact that nancy, daughter of cornelius cargill/ sarah, did not marry john cunningham, son of our related patrick and ann harris cunningham, who, as i say, never married, this still sounds like that this was john cunningham and his brother, robert cunningham, again, sons of our related patrick and ann harris cunningham who sarah clary is talking about in her letter to her daughter tabitha warner.

i do not know what other john cunningham that william madden, who married sarah cargill, would have served for as an overseer othen than john cunningham who was the son of our patrick and ann harris cunningham.

in fact, here is a laurens co, sc deed which connects william madden/ sarah cargill with john and robert cunningham, sons of our patrick and ann harris cunningham.

laurens co, sc deed book K, page 46, 1813, john and robert cunningham, devisees of patrick cunningham, decd, to heirs of lewis graves, decd, title to 40 acres in fork between reedy river and raburn creek ( replacing lost deed). our moiety in original grant to said patrick cunningham and jacob bowman. given to william moore at request of heirs of said lewis graves, who are martin; william; lewis; and fanny graves; george and nancy madden; john and lucy adams. place where william moore now lives. joseph bolton, j.p. witnesses: william and sarah madden. l. gaines, j.p.

so, my question has been and still is: why would sarah cargill clary have been so involved with my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers; my mackerness goode, sr's family; our related patrick and ann harris cunningham if she were a wilson and a sister of supposedly this russell wilson?

one other thing: there is other info out there somewhere, other than my own info and suggestions, also saying that sarah was a harris. i tried earlier to track down the source of that info but could not.

so, again, i am a harris not a cargill, but if i were a descendant of cornelius cargill/ sarah, i definitely would investigate further whether she was the sister of my william harris, jr/ frances rodgers; ann harris cunningham, children of my william harris, sr/ frances goode or if she actually were the sister of this russell wilson???

thanks again for your reply and info.

belva




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