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"C.W. Boogart": You have not answered my "final question".
All you have done is "skirt" my "final question" in your
response with a plethora of irrelevencies. Respectfully,
Gregory Thompson, a ROOSEVELT [ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT]-descendant
p.s.: our ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT coat-of-arms WAS BROUGHT FROM
HOLLAND IN THE MID-1640's BY CLAES MARTENSZEN van ROSENVELT,
his emblem being a KNIGHT'S silver shield with three red
roses growing from a patch of well-tended greensward [taken
from THE ROOSEVELTS: AMERICAN ARISTOCRATS by Allen Churchill].
The coat-of-arms of we American Roosevelts [ROSENVELT/
ROSENFELT] can be found engraved on a silver tankard
made by Gerrit Onclebagh (1675-1733) which was on exhibition
in 1933 at the Museum of the City of New York [taken from
NYGBR, Vol 64--article on our Roosevelt arms by William J.
Hoffman, M.E., member of the publication committee.
He even has trouble reconciling our coat-of-arms with the
coat-of-arms of the Vossemeer-"Rosevelts" admitting "the
difference in the arms remains A FACT to be noted".
From information you have just supplied about the age of
the Vossemeer-"Rosevelts" compared with the above sources I have given, it appears that our coat-of-arms is the OLDER
of the two.
Also, our crest of 3-OSTRICH PLUMES, I have read from
sources about Dutch-heraldry is preeminient in NORTH HOLLAND
and, is a "rarity" in the south of Holland.
The two coats-of-arms are beyond "differencing" they are
completely different from one another. They are arms of
two separate, distinct, NON-related Roosevelt families--
ours ROSENVELT from the NORTH OF HOLLAND; and, Vossemeer-
"Rosevelts" from the south of Holland.
[By the way, I have "bent" nothing. I wrote exactly the
initial information you wrote the "Roosevelt Genealogy
Forum", GenForum-website, and exactly that which you
initially Emailed me. The information was the same regards
FDR's nephew, along with friends, date, visit NORTH HOLLAND
AND HARLEM. The later information you supplied with
"specifics" I do wish you had earlier supplied so I
could have used for my arguement this disscussion debate
showing that this Oud-Vossemeer, Tholen,Zeeland-business
is an invention coming from out of the decade of the
1920's and you supplied the names of the "key" inventors
with corresponding dates].
Respectfully, Gregory Thompson, a ROOSEVELT [ROSENVELT/
ROSENFELT/and "yes", it was I remember who also gave the
spelling ROOSINFFELT--ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT/ROOSINFFELT is
the way our name is spelt in THE EARLIEST records & NOT
"Rosevelt"]-descendant.
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