Re: final question this discussion HOLLAND-cradle of we ROSENVELTS
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In reply to:
Re: final question this discussion HOLLAND-cradle of we ROSENVELTS
Cees Boogaart 8/29/03
"C.W. Boogart":You have not answered my "final question".
All you have done is "skirt" my "final question" in your
response with a plethora of irrelevencies.Respectfully,
Gregory Thompson, a ROOSEVELT [ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT]-descendant
p.s.: our ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT coat-of-arms WAS BROUGHT FROM
HOLLAND IN THE MID-1640's BY CLAES MARTENSZEN van ROSENVELT,
his emblem being a KNIGHT'S silver shield with three red
roses growing from a patch of well-tended greensward [taken
from THE ROOSEVELTS:AMERICAN ARISTOCRATS by Allen Churchill].
The coat-of-arms of we American Roosevelts [ROSENVELT/
ROSENFELT] can be found engraved on a silver tankard
made by Gerrit Onclebagh (1675-1733) which was on exhibition
in 1933 at the Museum of the City of New York [taken from
NYGBR, Vol 64--article on our Roosevelt arms by William J.
Hoffman, M.E., member of the publication committee.
He even has trouble reconciling our coat-of-arms with the
coat-of-arms of the Vossemeer-"Rosevelts" admitting "the
difference in the arms remains A FACT to be noted".
From information you have just supplied about the age of
the Vossemeer-"Rosevelts" compared with the above sources I have given, it appears that our coat-of-arms is the OLDER
of the two.
Also, our crest of 3-OSTRICH PLUMES, I have read from
sources about Dutch-heraldry is preeminient in NORTH HOLLAND
and, is a "rarity" in the south of Holland.
The two coats-of-arms are beyond "differencing" they are
completely different from one another.They are arms of
two separate, distinct, NON-related Roosevelt families--
ours ROSENVELT from the NORTH OF HOLLAND; and, Vossemeer-
"Rosevelts" from the south of Holland.
[By the way, I have "bent" nothing.I wrote exactly the
initial information you wrote the "Roosevelt Genealogy
Forum", GenForum-website, and exactly that which you
initially Emailed me.The information was the same regards
FDR's nephew, along with friends, date, visit NORTH HOLLAND
AND HARLEM.The later information you supplied with
"specifics" I do wish you had earlier supplied so I
could have used for my arguement this disscussion debate
showing that this Oud-Vossemeer, Tholen,Zeeland-business
is an invention coming from out of the decade of the
1920's and you supplied the names of the "key" inventors
with corresponding dates].
Respectfully, Gregory Thompson, a ROOSEVELT [ROSENVELT/
ROSENFELT/and "yes", it was I remember who also gave the
spelling ROOSINFFELT--ROSENVELT/ROSENFELT/ROOSINFFELT is
the way our name is spelt in THE EARLIEST records & NOT
"Rosevelt"]-descendant.