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Thank you for such a quick response and for the information about Brasso. I was totally confused. My father and uncle always said their father (Stephen Julius von Lorthy Lazar, Jr) was a Magyar and from Debrecen, Hungary. Was surprised when I found Brasso on both my grandfather's and gaunt's (Lydia Lazar Milosich) Declaration of Intention for Citizenship. Of course when I googled it, it was Romania (I didn't think about border changes - you can tell I'm not too good doing this). So, Lazar is the name and they are Magyars. Alto I would love to find out what the von Lorthy is. This is on a lot of their paperwork, sometimes alone, sometimes with the Lazar, then eventually, in the states dropped altogether. My great grandfather (Stephen, Sr.) was from Swarhegy, Hungary (or so says ship records and Declaration of Intention). My great grandmother was from Hungary, but don't know where, her name was Gisella Lazar (on her death certificate her daugher has that Gisella's mother was Freida Kramer and father Steven Gencsy of Hungary). ? Thank you again for all your help and information!