Re: My Ancestry Roadblock Cracked
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In reply to:
My Ancestry Roadblock Cracked
Thomas William Rogers Rogers 7/17/10
The Journey of Research:
Notes:Arrived in St. Mary's on the ship Rogers (The John) owned by Sir John Rogers, Barronette of Plymouth in Kingdom of England, merchant. John Rogers married Isabelle Orrell first, and he had a son Richard, (Marriage Indenture signed in 1709), then John Rogers married Ann Courts in 1709, and they had a son John, when in or about 1715 John Rogers married a third time to Elizabeth Mason, and they had a son named Roadham, expecting the second child as stated in John Rogers Will in 1717.
John Rogers, Naval Officer...
Sir John Rogers
(Carefully examine John Rogers, born 1651, of St. Mary's Co, for any connection to our John Rogers born 1680, was undertaken)
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This John Rogers is believed to have been known as "Sir John Rogers" who, in 1703 was about 22 years of age. John Rogers who landed at St. Mary's on Oct. 15, 1702, is believed to have been Sir John Rogers father, who had his own Rogers ship, "The John". Sir John Rogers was Baronette in Plymouth King of England Merchant. The John Rogers who died in 1710 is most likely the father of Sir John Rogers, born in circa 1680. Captain John Rogers of Northumberland County, and John Rogers, born 1651 of St. Mary's County both "are" related, but further research is required.
As written by Thomas William Rogers
Sept. 9, 1999
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Will of John Rogers Md Cal of Wills by Baldwins, Vol 4 page 14o
Also recorded Charles Co. Md GSF #3381 pt p 102
His Lordships Patronage Donnell M Owings
TestamentaryProceedings, Annaplois House Vol 32, page 159
Skordas shows so many Rogers named John arriving in the 1670's that it is impossible to tell which, if any, refer to the John Rogers who died 1710 in Charles County.
Madilyn (Turner) Rogers, wife of Everett Glen Rogers, both of Yates City Illinois, first found the information to connect John Rogers to three marriages, thus disproving John Rogers born in 1680 had only married once or twice as many publications have shown. Madilyn, together with Thomas William Rogers (born 5/9/1954, her husband's brother's grandson) combined efforts and found much needed information to make this research verifiable, thus publishable.
Madilyn (Turner) Rogers, was a world traveler and did extensive genealogical work, assisted many with registering members in the DAR. She is a well known and well respected genealogist.
This verification, via our John Rogers will, proves (this) John Rogers was married three times, not twice as many published works state. John Rogers was an attorney and this is verified by the fact he left his law books to his son in his will, and since he acted in several legal matters in Annapolis. John Rogers came to this country via St. Mary's on his own ship. Sir John Rogers was about 22 years of age in 1703, and it is said that our John Rogers is Sir John Rogers, being one in the same. Also, since a John Rogers was a factor for Sir John Rogers, it is believed that it is this John Rogers who is the father of Sir John Rogers born in 1680. Our John Rogers asked to be buried with his sword and silver watch.It is also said that this John Rogers had business dealings in Northumberland County Virginia, and there was a Capt. John Rogers who owned property next to a Mathew Rhodam. It is speculated that the name Rhodam came into the Rogers family from this association.
According to published material, publishedThe American Genealogical Research Institute, located at 20 East Street Northwest, Washington, D. C. 20001, in 1929 and republished by them in 1972, there is a John Rogers, born in 1680, aboard ship, who has an issue in 1717 resulting from the marriage to Mary Byrd in 1716. This John Rogers, according to their information, died about 1768 King and Queen Co., Virginia. This John Rogers is an ancestor of George Rogers Clark's lineage.It is for research reasons this is mentioned, because of two simularities or differences in research findings. First, that the dates of birth both match and that both had issues in 1717. Furthermore, it is because of how many John Rogers were landing in the area or in the area at that time. ( Note: Page 25, lower section of Section G) This also shows that this John Rogers had a cousin known as Captain John Rogers who married in Fredericksburg, Virginia. There may be some confusion because of these above mentioned facts, which requires further research to satisfy this research.
The first mention of a John Rogers in Maryland Calender of Wills was in the will of Sampson Cooper, Yorke, England, written August 11, 1659 which names a John Rogers as one of the legatees (MCW I.29). On October 2, 1673, a John Rogers wit. the will of Cornelius Regan in Calvert County (MCW 1.77). Then April 12, 1676 a John Rogers wit. the will of Simon Warford of Kent County. (MCW I.124)
James Claughton rec'd 250 acres in Northumberland County, Virginia December 20, 1650 for transpertation of 5 persons; January 20, 1650 he assigned same to Mr. John Rogers (Northumberland County, Virginia, Record Book 1652 - 58, p. 11). Since John Rogers of Charles County was known to have connections with Northumberland County Families, this may refer to his relatives. On October 11, 1710 a John Rogers was on the Grand Jury of the Provincial Court in Annapolis (AM I.20-1, 106). November 14, 1710 he was sworn as Clerk of Charles County.; said to have resigned in 1711, but appears in the court records up to 1715 (CCLR).
John Rogers, died circa 1717,; _______? Rogers and _____? Isabell Orell; John m/1 ca 1708 -1710 Charles County to Ann Courts, born August 29, 1693; ? died circa 1712; daughter of John Courts and Charity Henley; m/2 circa 1712 - 1713 Elizabeth Mason; died 1748 (see Rhodham Family for her subsequent marriages); daughter of Robert Mason and Susana Rodam of Charles County who married by 1674/5.
The following information was taken from Court Records Index Books.
Oct 15, 1702 John Rogers arrived in St. Mary's on the Ship Rogers owned by him. "The John".
Sir John Rogers Barronette of Plymouth in Kingdom of England Merchant. (Ref: Sir John Rogers, Barronette of Plymouth, in Kingdom of England Merchant, Test: John Rogers 1703, factor to Sir John Rogers Barronette in Plymouth)
Abraham Peters Master
1702 Stephan Harvey factor & Agent of Sir John Rogers at Potomac District.
1702-5 John Rogers had a store house in Newport, Charles County.
1703 John Rogers factor to Sir John Rogers Barronette in Plymouth (Test: John Rogers 1703, was factor to Sir John Rogers born abt 1860)
1703 Sir John about 22 years of age. (Test:Sir John Rogers, could not have been born aboard ship on the passage over, but places his birth abt 1680, since he was about 22 in 1702 according to this finding)
1703 John Rogers factor to Sir John Rogers of Plymouth against Wm. Dayne for tobacco at Port Tobacco.(Test: John Rogers born 1703 was factor to Sir John Rogers born abt 1680, with connections at Port Tobacco according to this finding)
1706 John Rogers factor to Sir John of Plymouth Sueing Wm. Watts of Charles County for Tobacco owed to Sir John Rogers
6-19-1710 John Rogers Naval Officer (Bo ker)
1710 John Rogers Barronette vs Rich Peters
1710 John Rogers court records.
One to Mr. Rogers of Plimouth dated Plym the 26th of June 1697
Source:Proceedings of the Council of Maryland 1696.7-98 pg 453
Whereby the Rogers Ship is like to goe home so much dead freighted.
Source: Proceedings of the Council of Maryland 1694-7 page 550.
And forasmuch as the fleet are likely to Sail and there-with the Rogers his Ship before the next Court and the ffact by the Slye and Scurrye being a Nortorious Interruption of Trade and of ill Example to Others evilly intended if Speedy Remedye be not had herein yo Peticon humbly prays yo Ex to grant him a Sp commission to any p'sons Justices either of the Prov or County Court of Charles County to hear and determine the s matters in some short time after the partyes can be arrested & Declaracons delivered them; And th' the Court House of the County may be the place appointed for the Same And that the Writts Issuing out of the Prov Court may be Return'd to the s Sp court with Such Necessary Clauses as to yo' wisdom shall seem Expedient therein that so the matters may be heard and determined before the going out of the ffleet and the s Rogers Relieved in the p'mises.Was ordered as such continued..... "As may be so attached hereon".
Source:Proceedings of the Council of Maryland, 1694-7 pg 551
John Rogers of Charles County, (Prot.), apparently succeeded Dent about November, 1704; resigned in 1711 about a year after his appointment as Clerk of Charles County. His wife was a stepdaughter of Co. John Contee, who in 1704 had married Gov. Seymour's cousin. Page 160
Source:His Lordship's Patronage, by Donnell MacClure Ownings
Baltimore Maryland Historical Society thru one Miss Louise MaGruder of Annapolis Maryland in March of 1999.
March the 31st, 1698, The Council again Sat and were present as Yesterday
Produced & read a Letter by his Excellency rec'd from the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty Customs dated the 30th of December 1697 that the "Bark Mermaid" having a Mermaid in her Stern John Rogers Mas is bound for Maryland & Ordered that Copys of the same be sent to the several Collectors and Naval Officers together with Copys a letter sent from said Commissioners Unto the honorable Edward Randolph Esq Surveyor General Dated the 9th of December 1697 Concerning some New England Vessels Intended really for the Natives of Scotland though Colourably registered in the Plantations.
Source:Proceedings of the Council of Maryland 1696/7-98 page 402.
Having notice from our Agent in Scotland that the "Bark Mermaid" (Having a Mermaid in her Stern) John Rodgers a Scotchman Master lately sailed out of Leith Road with Scotch Linnen and other Comodities for Maryland, We desire you will please to cause....( as was continued in the report )
Source:Proceedings of the Council of Maryland, 1696/7-98 page 328
Sources:Pages 11, 44, 45, 149, 151, 187, and 376, along with above described informative portions thereof, also have such information concerning John Rogers that is vital information, contained in The Proceedings of the Council of Maryland, as copies of such shall hereon be so attached for both further reference information not included above andsuch source verification purposes for information that is contained above.
LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF JOHN ROGERS
(Note: Not Complete Will Information, for a better understanding, read complete will as transcribed)
Will of John Rogers, gent., Charles County,; written November 4, 1717; probate January 1717 (Typo: May have been January 1718, wrote down wrong in transfer from records, re-examine document))
To wife Eliza., extx, dwel plan. ____, for life, and personality.
To son Richard, personalty when of age and 10,000# tobacco to be sold during his minority for his education, remainder to be paid him at his majoriety.
To son John, interest poss. by test. in right his (John's) mother, deceased, to part of estate of Charity Courts, in hands of his uncle, John Courts (to be administered), and personalty to be paid. when he comes of age; also testator's interest in tract of land in Prince Geoges' County, called Clean Drinking, and any estate falling to testator by death of any of his uncles or relations.(Researcher's note:Is "Clean Drinking" the same piece of land that John Courts, II, owned that was called "Manor of Clean Drinking".) (Update: It appears to be the same property, Thomas W. Rogers, November 1999)
To son Roadham, dwel, plan. at decease of his mother, and personalty, also land testator had with his mother.
To Rev. Wm. maconchie, for the church, personlty.
To Alex. Contee, John Courts, Robert and Sam. Hanson, neighbor Mary Theobalds and to Johanna Price, personalty.
Test. directs that his servant, Wm. Sympson, be discharged from service on the 25th next.
Should son Richard die before he is of age, bequests made to him to pass to sons John and Roadham, or survivor. Should son Roadham die before he is of age, lands bequeathed to him to pass to son Rich, and in case of his death, to son John. In case of son John's death without issue, to pass to nearest blood.
Residue of estate to be divided equally among wife and 3 child, and unborn child
Wife to have charge of child. during their minority. Should she marry, Alex. Contee to have care of Rich and John.
Test: Jno Hanson, Jno Chunn, Rich. Bell(MCW IV.140; Wills, 14.521)
Her excellency's Gift; for Elizabeth Rogers, widow; Depositions of Robert Handson, age 37, mentions white oak in the marsh at head of Portobacco Creek; John Hanson, age 31, and William Chandler, age 42 (Charles County Land Commision)
Information Source:"Early Settlers of Southern Maryland, Volume IV
Additional Sources:
MD Calender of Wills, Vol IV, p 140
Chas. County MD Marriage Records compiled by Geo. A. Martin, p 51
Chas. County Land Records, Vol. 3, Elise G. Jourdan, p 146 (Death date John Rogers)
Bates & Strawser, Early Chas. Co. MD Settlers, p 284
Col & Rev. Lineages of America, pp 23, 24
John Rogers Will, MD Archives
Information compiled by:Thomas William Rogers,born 5/9/1954 in Peoria Illinois and residing currently at 311 N. Main Street in Deer Creek Illinois 61733 and is being provided to family members via published material, as well as to any researchers interested in the Rogers Families., for the purpose of this publication.
Source:Madilyn (Turner) Rogers, wife of the late Glen Rogers of Yates City Illinois, an extensive and well known genealogist, and world traveler, provided her work for this project. She first published her work to family, and dated July 25, 1980, she proved to me that John Rogers married not three, but three times, and Richard was the son of Isabell Orell, daughter of Thomas Orell.Chuck Rogers, of Florida, thru extensive work, also came to the same conclusive proof of John Rogers having married three times, and publised such to the interent.
Notes:
Will of John Rogers Md Cal of Wills by Baldwins, Vol 4 page 14o
Also recorded Charles Co. Md GSF #3381 pt p 102
His Lordships Patronage Donnell M Owings
TestamentaryProceedings, Annaplois House Vol 32, page 159
According to Bonnie Pleasant, thru the internet, our John Rogers received a Land Grant in 1713 in Charles Co., Maryland. Maybe the land that Jane Rogers leaves Richard Rogers may have belonged to a sister (John Rogers' wife) but then she died and it fell to Jane Rogers, then Jane left it to Richard. That piece of land was called "Greensprings" that Jane left Richard in St. Mary's Co. I'd like to figure out the William Hooke connection. He was one at the time married to a widow of John Coode who was on some ships with who I think was our John. Her name was Elizabeth, possibly John's sister. Therefor Richard would be William Hooke nephew, but not really an uncle to Jane Rogers' kids. Unless John Rogers was a lot older than we think and Elizabeth was Richard Rogers sister, then Richard Rogers and Jane Llewellyn's kids would have been William Hooke's nieces and nephews. That Elizabeth Rogers was dead by the time our John Rogers died.John Rogers was a gentlemen of means.
We have learned that the widow of Co. John Contee married second to Philemon Hemsley and third to William Rogers of Annapolis, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
John Rogers, sworn November 14, 1710; died November 1717. He married a stepdaughter of Councillor John Contee
Alexander Contee (Nephew of Councillor John Contee; married niece of Edmund Howard, sorn November 12, 1717; transferred to Clerkship of Prince George's County in August 1720.
Richard Rogers, of St. Mary's Co., son of John Rogers, dec'd on April 30, 1730, conveyed two lots in Chandler Town. (Early Charles County, Maryland Settlers 1658-1745)
John Rogers, Next of Kin: Rod. Rogers. Admr.: Charles Courts. (Early Charles County, Maryland Settlers 1658-1745)
Capt. Samuel Hanson, Sr., com June 27 and sworn August 9, 1720; died about February, 1740/1
Capt. Jones & Mr. Dare came from the House and saw Mr. John Rogers Sworn to his Naval Officers Accompt of Potowmack District.
From "His Lordship's Patronage", page 160 Naval Officer of North Potomac.
Capt. John Coode of St. Mary's County (Protestant. Convert, former wife Cath.) appointed by act of September 4, 1689; left for England in August 1690
John Rogers (1) (Sir Knight) born about 1675, married about 1700 in Grainge, S. England to Mary Henley (Mary's father or mother was not listed) he was the son of John Rogers(2) and Mary Vincent.(Note: Research this Mary Henly carefully)
The 1746 Will of Robert Hanson of St. Mary's Co., mentions 2 lots in Charles Town which he had purchased from Richard Rogers (MCW XI.170)
In the "Early Families of Southern Maryland, Volume IV, page 49", it was stated that our John Rogers d: ca 1717 was the son of (unknown) Rogers and Isabelle Orrell. John was supposedly only married twice, first to Ann Courts and second to Elizabeth Mason. The child of John and Ann Courts was John Rogers. The children of the second marriage were Roadham Rogers, Richard Rogers and an unborn child. This, I believe to be inconsistent with the documents that family members, Edwin Fike, Barbara Robinson, Norma Hillman, Rusty and Bonnie Pleasants, Rosemary Stout, Madilyn (Turner) Rogers, Thomas W. Rogers and Mrs. Chuck Rogers have found. I believe, that our John Rogers was married three times. First marriage to Isabell Orrell with son Richard being born from this marriage. Reference: Thomas Orrell Will and Jane Llewellin's will. Thomas' Will gives his estate to grandson Richard Rogers in which it does not connect our Richard at this point. Jane Llewellin's will also gives the land that she had in safe-keeping to Richard per her father's will but she also gives it to Alex Contee for safe-keeping for Richard. In John's will he states that if Elizabeth should remarry then Alex Contee should have the custody of Richard and John. In going through the wills we see that Ann's father gave Clean Drinking to Ann and her heirs. There is also an Indenture of Marriage, dated February 1, 1709, between John Rogers and Ann Courts.In John's will, he gives Clean Drinking to son John or the nearest blood. No other child received any part of this land. This says that John was the only child born of the marriage. the will established the relationship of Elizabeth Mason to Robert and Susanna Mason; we see that the land was given Elizabeth and her heirs. Roadham received this land.
Alice Wilma Andrews Westgate is a descendant of Pilgrim John Alden, Isaac Allerton, Francis Cooke, John Howland, Richard Warren and William White. Widow of Rodman Edwin Westgate, who was also a descendant of Pilgrim William White, she served on the Board of Assistants of the Massachusetts Mayflower Society. In her first published genealogical works, in her first paragrah about Thomas Rogers, states (as copied below)
(Little is known about Pilgrim Thomas Rogers, and nothing at all is known about his ancestory. His alledged descent from John Rogers the Martry was disproved in the 19th Century by Joseph Chester and Henry F. Waters. Bank notes that taxpayers named Thomas Rogers, Christopher Martin and John Hooke appear in the London Parish of St. Bartholomew the Great early in 1620, but there is no proof that these were the Mayflower passengers.)
Note:Alice Wilma Andrews Westgate's published genealogical works, as shown in part above, gives review to the fact John The Martry was connected to Thomas Rogers, the emigrant at one time, before being disproved. This fact has caused much confusion in many researcher's review of older published works. And, it is for this reason this mention has been added to this research effort.
Continued Research Questions:What if the John Rogers, who acted as factor for our Sir John Rogers, was Sir John Rogers father, and father to Elizabeth or sister to this Elizabeth who was widow of John Coode, wife to William Hooke? Many may be confusing the two John Rogers, being father and son, but they are looking at them as being one person. As recorded by: Thomas W. Rogers August 4, 1999. Continued research should be done on Alex Contee and the relationship of the Contee's and Rogers, to assist in the determination of which ancestor our John Rogers was related to.
As written by Thomas William Rogers
November 1999
[Subj: Re: Rogers family
Date: 5/30/00 7:07:39 AM Central Daylight Time
From: [email protected] (Ruth Patrignani)
Reply-to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Robert Rogers must have been at least 18 in 1768 when he was named guardian of
his future sister-in-law unless he was married at the time. (I have not found a
date as of yet) That would make his birth 1750 or before. This would lead me to
believe he would be a son of one of the sons of John Rogers in Charles Co. On
the 1790 Charles Co, Md census he had 9 children. I have found marriage records
for them in Fauquier Co, Va. Has anyone ever found out the name of the unborn
child (mentioned in the will) of John Rogers? Looking forward to hearing from
you.
Ruth
Update:Research name Robert Rogers, wife Joanna Warren of Charles County Maryland for relationship.
Subj: Re: John Rogers
Date: 10/15/00 5:58:18 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Dotbnj
To: Travelback4u
In a message dated 10/15/2000 12:21:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Travelback4u writes:
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>Oct 15, 1702 John Rogers arrived in St. Mary's on the Ship Rogers
> owned by him. "The John".
>Sir John Rogers Barronette of Plymouth in Kingdom of England
> Merchant. (Re
Thomas,
Look what I found by accident while looking at a Nehemiah in Water's "Genealogical Gleanings in England."My comments are underlined in parenthesis. Could this be your John above?
Dot
pg 561
"Mr. Whitmore notes that in the library of Mr. Samuel G. Drake (in Little Braxton, Eng) was sold a book by that John Rogers, minisster of Purleigh, who was ordered to pay Mrs. Washington a portion of the tithes (see Register, vol. 45, p 240; ante, p 523).This book contained some autobiographical items, and he thought they might have some reference to Purleigh and asked if that or another copy could be found.
In a communication to the Nation, Oct 22, 1891, Mr Worthington C. Ford states that he has found a copy of the book inquired for in the library of the New York Theological Seminary, New York city, and he gives some interesting facts about the author derived from that volume.Nothing, however, is found relative to his predecessor, Lawrence Washington.This John Rogers was a son of Rev. Nehemiah Rogers of Messing, and a grandson of Rev. Vincent Rogers of Stratford Bow, traditionally descended from the martyr.He was father of John Rogers, a merchant of Plymouth, who was created baronet Feb 21, 1698, and was ancestor of the late Lord Blachford.The book in Mr. Drake's catalogue bore the title ""Ohel or Bethshemesh; a Tabernacle of the Sun,"&c.Mr. Ford states that there is no printed title in the book he quotes from, but there is a written title, "Dod or Chartran, the Beloved,"&c., and that "Ohel or Bethshemesh" is the heading of one division of the work.Col. Chester, in his life of John Rogers, the martyr, pp 287-8, gives both titles in his list of the author's works."
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Notes: Obtaining proof of the marriage of Elizabeth Rogers, widow of John Coode, marrying William Hooke is vital to finding the family of John Rogers, born 1680 of Charles County Maryland. Much research is required at this area of the family tree.(By Lynda Ozinga 12/30/2000.John Rogers born 1680 Arrived in St. Mary's on the Ship Rogers (The John) owned by Sir John Rogers, Barronette of Plymouth in Kingdom of England, merchant John Rogers married Isabelle Orrel first, and had son Richard (Marriage Indenture singed 1709), and they had son John, when in or about 1715 John Rogers married a third time to Elizabeth Mason, and they had a son Roadham, expecting the second child as stated in John Rogers Will in 1717.Correct Order for marriages is Orrell 1st, Courts 2nd and Mason 3rd.John Rogers Naval Officer, Sir John Rogers. (Carefully examine John Rogers, born 1651, of St. Mary's County, for any connection to our John Rogers born 1680 was undertaken)