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Re: Ursula Presley b 1664 married to Wharton Ransdell b 1696?
Posted by: Barbara Ransdell (ID *****9206) Date: May 29, 2006 at 12:41:17
In Reply to: Re: Ursula Presley b 1664 married to Wharton Ransdell b 1696? by Eduardo Bolanos of 629

Eduardo:

The geographic area that we are discussing is really quite small. It runs from St Mary's, MD through the Northern Neck of VA (Westmoreland County, VA) to Fauquier County, VA and Culpepper and Orange County, VA.

The time period is quite large. It runs from the mid 1600's through the late 1700's after the American Revolution, when many young men in VA received land grants in KY for their service in the Revolution.

In the Ransdell family in VA, there was the man who seems to have come from England and probably landed in MD. Some years later he moved to Westmoreland County on the Northern Neck of VA. As far as I can tell, his name was Edward Ransdell. He owned a farm there and married, raised several children, some of which became prominent in the local society. One of his descendants held an office in the local church and was an associate of Patrick Henry and George Washington. He was a signer of the Leedstown Resolves of 1766, also known as the "first" declaration of independence. His name was Edward. http://www.ragerlaw.com/leedstownresolutionspage.htm

One of the early men named Edward Ransdell married a woman named Amy Wharton. They named one of their sons Wharton and another named Edward and another named William. From the birth of Amy Wharton Ransdell's son that she named Wharton until the American Revolution, there were about 9 men, all cousins, who were named Wharton Ransdell. There were about 3 in every generation, so they were nearly the same age in the same generation. Cousins would be born within 5 years of each other.

No one named Wharton Ransdell married any woman who was 30 years his senior when he was only 18. The age of majority in those days, for boys, was 18 and for girls it was 21, but most 18 year olds had no land and no slaves and no horses or other livestock. They had no way to take care of a wife who had 5 - 8 children by another man.

http://www.gedhtree.com/SinglePg/gp523.htm

Ursula Presley was born about 1664-1667 in Cople Parish in VA. In 1695-1698, approximately, she married Daniel Neale. Ursula and Daniel had several children. The first was a girl named Hannah who was born soon after they married. Then another daughter and a son named Presley Neale who was born in 1702. Remember in those days a woman would nurse a baby for about 3 years and because she was nursing, she did not often become pregnant until she stopped nursing. So for her to marry and give birth in 1692, it would be reasonable for her to have 3 children by 1702.

http://www.ronulrich.com/rfuged/fam08700.htm

Daniel Neale died in 1713 in Westmoreland Co., VA. Before Daniel died, there were 5 other children who were born to Ursula and him. However, they may not all have lived. They may have only lived a few days or weeks. One was named Daniel Neale, Jr. and the last child born to Ursula by Daniel was "Ransdell Neale".

Wharton, whichever one he was, could not have been married to Ursula before Daniel died, therefore their marriage must have been after 1713, because Daniel died in Dec 1713. Wharton, who was possibly born in 1696 would have been the same age as Ursula's daughter, Hannah. Ursula would have been about in her late 40's, nearly 50 years old.

Wharton and Ursula had one child.

This record shows they were married in 1714, when Ursula was 48 years old. http://schooley.us/GedBase/Record.asp?pg=Individual&id=@I03049@

This shows that their child was William and he was born in 1715 and died in 1766. It also shows that Ursula died the same year as Daniel Neale, 2 years before she was supposed to have given birth to Wharton's son, William. This record shows that Ursula Presley was born 25 years after the wife of Daniel Neale.

All of these folks all lived in Westmoreland County, VA at the turn of the 18th century.

A woman named Ursula Presley who married Daniel Neale and gave birth to 8 children died in 1718. If the Wharton you are talking about married the nearly 50 year old woman, had one child by her and was then widowed when he was 22, who was his second wife? You cannot make me believe that a 22 year old man with a child under 3 years old did not marry again. How did he care for the baby, William? Why would a virile man that young not marry again? Yes, I know about putting a child to a slave to nurse. I know there are more than one way to care for a baby. I have a problem with a woman having a healthy baby after having 3 out of 5 chldren die before they reached their majority. I also have a problem with an nearly 50 year old woman getting pregnant and surviving the birth of a child in the early 18th century.

I believe you are confusing men named Wharton Ransdell. I believe that Ursula Presley Neale married Wharton Ransdell, the son of Amy Wharton.

I also have a problem with Ursula Presley being 9 years older than Daniel Neale. She was supposedly 32 when she married for the first time.

I think you have a lot of dates that are wrong, Eduardo and I think you have not located any true documents to support your dates. In genealogy, you must have 2 proofs for every fact.

Contact the folks at the Historical Society in Westmoreland Co., VA and try to straighten all this out. Then, please let all of us know what you learned and what original documents support your argument.

Good luck. Genealogy is a great challenge.

Barb










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