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Posted by: Stephanie Date: March 02, 2002 at 19:21:16
In Reply to: Re: JOHN RAMSEY, AUGUSTA CO., VA 1700's by Jaye of 6572

To start at the beginning, "old" John Ramsey and his wife Mary (who some think was a Steele) settled in Augusta Co., Va near Tinkling Spring Presbyterian church. This John made a will which was proven in an Augusta Court in 1783, wherein he named seven sons, James (deceased), John, Alexander, Andrew, William, George (to whom he left land in "Cantucky") and Daniel. In his will he also mentions his wife Mary, children of son James deceased, and Andrew Steele and grandson John Steele. Teste: John Patrick, John and Samuel Black.

Daniel left a will in Augusta in 1784 wherein he named all seven brothers as did his father, his mother and Andrew Steele again. Daniel apparently died unmarried. Teste: John Black, Martha Black and Samuel Black.

Mary Ramsey, old John Ramsey's wife, left her will in Augusta Co, Va in 1786, wherein was mentioned all seven boys again, Andrew Steele and children of son James (deceased). Teste: Samuel Black, Alex Cummin and James Perthulls.

Only three of the Ramsey boys were recorded as having been baptised at Tinking Spring Presbyterian church. James in 1745, John in 1747 and Alexander in 1749, all by Rev Craig.

I have a copy somewhere of Andrew Steele's will info naming wife Mary, son John Steele and some Ramsey brothers...will have to dig it out.

William Ramsey, the son of old John and Mary Ramsey, his brother Alexander and apparently another brother, John, left Augusta and moved to Albemarle Co. A deed dated in 1773 showed William Ramsey "of County of Augusta" purchasing land in Albemarle from Adam Dean and witnessed by Samuel Black, in 1772 a John Ramsey "of County of Augusta"purchased land in Albemarle from Archibald Woods.

The Personal Property Tax List for Albemarle County of 1782 showed William Ramsey as a single man with 0 slaves, 9 head of cattle, 3 horses. It also showed Alexander Ramsey a single man with one slave, 10 head of cattle and 3 horses.

The property William Ramsey owned is located in present day Greenwood, Virginia. He called the place "Millburne" and operated a mill of some sort, grain I suppose. On 3 or 13 December 1785 he married Margaret Wallace in Albemarle County, Va. She was the daughter of Andrew Wallace and Margaret Woods of Albemarle Co. Andrew Wallace's home (still standing) is located in present day Ivy, Virginia just a stone's throw from Greenwood about a 5-10 minutes drive. Josiah Wallace, her first cousin the son of William Wallace and Hannah Woods, was bondsman and surety as her father had died in the spring of 1785 naming her in his will (still single) and leaving her $$, household furniture and a horse. In the Albemarle Co Tax List for 1830, was shown William Ramsey's property Millburne as having a value in the $4000 range along with Monticello, Edgemont and others. The MAS survey for 1802 has a blueprint for the mill he operated.

In his will of 1832, William Ramsey left his children each, one fifth of his estate, to include any debts they may have owed him and any monies he may have given them beforehand...all in all it had to equal one fifth to each in the end. His wife Margaret Wallace was apparently dead before his will was written. The witnesses were: John Pilson, Richard Wallace, Roswell Tinney(?) and John G. Lobban. Jeremiah Wayland his son-in-law and his grandson William S. Ramsey (John's son) were executors. He left land to his eldest son John and to his other son Andrew with the stipulation that it be used by them and their wives/families and upon their deaths to be equally divided between their children, William's grandchildren, though none of the grandchildren were actually named in the will. As regards Andrew's mention in his will was the following:

{My son Andrew Ramsey has already had the sum of Eight Hundred & Ninety-five dollars & forty-two cents, that sum or whatever be owing at my Decease & the balance to make one fifth of my Estate, I give and bequeath to all of the children of my son Andrew to them and their heirs forever. It is further my Will & Desire that my executors shall so soon as they can conveniently after my Decease purchase a Tract of Land where they shall think most advisable with the money left to my son Andrew's children, and that my son Andrew & his wife to have the privilege to live on the same if they think proper to do so but to have no further claims to said Land, and to enjoy the benefit of said Land for their support and the support of their family during the lifetime of my said son Andrew & his wife, and at their decease to be equally divided between all of the children of my said son Andrew that may be living or their lawful heirs forever.} His legacy to son John was written basically in the same manner.

The land/property he stipulated to be sold, over the one fifth portion already mentioned to his children, and proceeds to be equally divided among the heirs, was bought by his neighbor Jas. A. Bowen who built "Mirador" upon it sometime later. Oddly, Mirador is directly across the road from "Millburne", William's property. I visited the area last summer for a week doing research and photography. Also in the settlement papers Jeremiah Wayland paid William's "subscription to Lebanon Meeting House". He left legacy to sons John and Andrew, and daughters, Mary aka Polly (Wayland), Margaret (Martin) and Jane (Harris) also naming their husbands. Nowhere in either the will, or the settlement papers, was William Ramsey ever called "Jr."

William's son John, married Mary Black, the daughter of Samuel Black, Jr, and Mary his wife, and grandaughter of the Rev. Samuel Black and his wife Catherine Shaw, on 17 Nov 1807 in Albemarle Co, the Rev. Zacharias Zimmerman officiating. They lived in Albemarle and had six children, Joseph T. who married Cynthia Jordan or Gordon and secondly Sarah E. Rothwell in 1852, Mary Shaw Ramsey who married James Claiborne Rothwell in 1839, William S. Ramsey who was one of the executors of his grandfather's will in 1832 and married Martha Ann Finley in 1832, Jane B. Ramsey who married John G. Lobban in 1834, the same man who witnessed her grandfather's will in 1832, Catherine Ramsey who may have married Albert Jewell, and Dorcas Black Ramsey who married Thomas W. Jones in 1837. John's will dated 1852, named all of the aforementioned children. (WB 22)

William's son Andrew, apparently left a will in Albemarle Co as well and in it named his children, "Thomas of Missouri, Higginbotham, William A., Andrew, Margaret L., amd Mary McAllister, wife of H. McAllister." I'm not sure what will book it's in, possibly WB 22 as well and I don't have a date for his will.

When William's son John died in 1852, his son Joseph T. Ramsey was the sole executor. Jeremiah Wayland and William S. Ramsey were never mentioned as having any legal responsibilities in the execution of John's will and estate settlement. If you have supporting data for their involvement please post it, I'd be interested to see it. The property was equally divided equally between the heirs named in John's will. The land in question that William had stipulated be divided to his grandchildren in 1832, was apparently done and Joseph kept the land even after he moved to Amherst County sometime after 1852. (Joseph died in Amherst Co between 1860 and 1870- he was listed on the 1860 census but dead by the 1870 census) Joseph's son Charles T. Ramsey born in 1862, was given all or a portion of it, and my grandfather remembered going with his father to Albemarle County to sell it when he ( my grandfather) was in his early 20's.

There was an inventory taken in Albemarle Co in 1825 for a William Ramsey JR. "dec'd the 14 day of April 1825" by Richard Wallace, James Bowen and James Hays. His inventory included one horse, a desk, one shotgun, one man's saddle, a bag of Irish potatoes, one wagon, and some other odds and ends.

It has always been stated that William Ramsey who died in 1832 and his wife Margaret Wallace, had a son also named William yet no son by that name was mentioned in his will. I think it was because the William Ramsey JR who died in 1825 was that son, and Rev Woods, in his book, simply got the dates of death reversed for the two. In reviewing court papers and other documents, I have found other such minor errors in his book.

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