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well I found most of the family of my John Ross who's mother KIlled her husband with a rolling pin in self defense.
her father was Chief shoeboots son or grandson of Attacullaculla , son of or brother or Nephew of but lived life close to Dragging Canoe.
MY john ross's mother's indian name is Kahuga =Roseberry on the 1817 cherokee immigration roll.
she is Eliza Shoeboots on the removal roll.
she is Lizza Boots on the 1852 DRennen roll.
her kids listed on the drennen roll with her are
ailse this would be an indian spelling of the name Elzia ( elzy) = probably MY john ross born 1835
sally = probably Katherine born 1842
LOtty = maybe noble L or a sister?1845
Morrison Boots ( maybe noble or unknown brother) signs with Watie's mounted rifles.
dasigiyagi = Robert Ross born 1848 to 50 signs as "boots' in mounted rifles too but according to family legend is dismounted for being too young to serve.
he later signs with the north in IN and OH. but they are in IT when he is young. and John isn't there then, or would have signed with a cherokee regiment.
robert names his second son after his favorite oldest brother, Elzia shortened too Elzy.
It looks like JOHn isn't the son of a john ross, it looks like he is a son of George Lavender and it looks like john when he was a baby and his mother were bought back from slavery by Major Chief John Ridge and two of shoeboots sisters Peggy and Lucy. they finally convince George lavender to sell them back Elizabeth jane for the sum of 2000 dollars in 1836 John would have been one year old or so , it appears he is born in july from censuses. after Geogia over rules all cherokee law and imposes it;s own one drop of slave blood = a slave laws on all children of slaves or ex slaves that were freed by the cherokee. by the way elizabeth my John's mom is listed as white and called a "Yellow nigress" in some slave records, so she is reddish/blondish. all ( I have found outside of IT) of shoeboots kids are listed as white in censuses. and her son robert is listed in his civil war papers as 5''7" and brown hair and blue eyes, medium complexion.
shoeboots wife Dolly gets bounty land from shoeboots ( a Battlion leader at horseshoe bend) 120 acres in MO in 1858 and it looks like the HAMMER family(cousins) and JOhn move to MO about then. I am searching for the place the bounty land was exactly . shoeboots is a captian in many wars and signs many treaties, is interpeter for a few Principle Chiefs. like Pathkiller his probably grandfather at least by a sort of adoption.
it looks like the HAmmer family also have up close and personal knowledge of the James family too, so my John couldn't have been far from where his cousins were also.
anyway I have most of these dates etc from documents, thesises, Books etc but got TO these documents in a space of three motnhs because I was told these stories by my great grandma who was the great granddaughter of shoeboots , she who lived next door to and road the horses of a JOhn Ross who rode with the james brothers and other "out laws" in the civil war and she rode horses that John raised, Morgan horses from a horse he got in the war. I knew many of the stories of shoeboots in these books, why because she told me the stories about my family. when I rtold her this should be a movie she told me that I only knew part of the story and she told me how Elizabeth killed her husband in self defense. it didn't register right with me at that age and I told her " eliza Jane should have used a fry pan it would have worked better". well she got mad at me to say the least, and I hid that info from my self for 30 years.
anyway so far I am trying to figure out who Harriette is
and as far as Emily saying she is widowed in 1870 or 1880 census , well if you lived back then and wanted to EVER remarry and with her being a GOOD christian woman would you claim to be " Divorced" , she would have died first before putting divorced ? especially if you didn't know you could ever get a legal divorce, because you had no clue where he was..... it would be way better to appear to be a war widow than a" DIVORCED Woman" . women would have done and did do the very same thing.
anyway this whole thing has me totally confused. if we don't have the same JOhn Ross then who the heck is saying that john was killed by his wife in self defense with a rolling pin. as that is my families story. if they are the same then who the heck is Harriette. or was that statement a sort of indian thing as older indian women in a clan were all called mothers.
and if your John ross does show up after emily says she is a widow then I can prove that my John is moving from IN to AR in the early 1880's before the census in AR and ( his last son that I know of because 1890 census is missing) named George also is born in IN later 1879. so he is moving when "ross and emily" came to see someone (does anyone else find it odd that "ross" is used the way it is, if it was either a common occurence or a close friend or relation? wouldn't they have just used their first names ? it had to be a bit odd occurence for them to even mention it, and odder they said it the way they did.) but he is close enough to show up in MO. maybe even gave emily a legal divorce. . I live in MO, hummm maybe I will go this summer and look and see if there is a legal divorce, she doesn't marry till after that does she?
. and I am still going to try to find him in MO before 1860 on Dolly boots land as soon as I find exactly where the land is in MO.. and the history of the land etc , he would be abt 24 when he moved to MO.
anyway this is driving me nuts! that this is so confused and folks are telling my family stories intermixed with your family stories and visaversy, something is just weird. so folks or writers wrote or told stuff that was just wrong or a deception of somekind . this is the only thing I have found that sort of!!!! look s like my great grandma was wrong on!!! but maybe I am remembing things wrong, but this was an easy simple story compared to some of shoeboots stories and hisfamilies indian names etc that I had to remember! so how come I got those and not this one remembered correctly.
anyway anything you can do to help clear up this mess would more than be appreciated!! or maybe the least get me in contact with those of your relatives that claim your emily killed her John with a rolling pin because they are probably relations of Elizabeth Jane Shoeboot's son John Ross . thanks renee
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