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John Payne/ /Ben Payne / William B Payne Kershaw, NC/ Lowndes AL/ Wood/ TX
Posted by: Joel Orcutt (ID *****4807) Date: March 13, 2013 at 12:13:19
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I am seeking information/confirmation/definitive proofs, ect. about this Payne line. I am willing to work with anyone else that shares common interest, as well as share additional information I already have gathered.

Please note that critical documentation is yet lacking. Please don't take the suspect connections to ancestry and put it forth as "fact" in a family file, in that if it is not correct it then becomes widely published misinformation that has to be weeded through in pursuit of an accurate family history, and none of us want that.

John Payne in Kershaw County, SC 1790-1820, (not the John Payne the blacksmith that married Elizabeth, but perhaps his nephew, such as it would appear), and Benjamin Payne who resided there with him ca 1810 to ca 1830 when he, Ben, removed to Lowndes County, Alabama, where he probably died ca. 1850-1860. I don't know if John Payne died, or he moved, but he was gone, or living in someone else's household in 1830. Does anyone know the name of the father of this John Payne, a brother of John Payne the Blacksmith? I have seen reference to this younger John Payne, probable father of Ben, as indicating his wife as to having been named Sarah Shiver.

My ancestor, William Payne, is listed in the 1840 census for Lowndes,near Ben, and I believe he was Bejamin's second son, born in Kershaw ca 1807. Also, William's wife was Elizabeth Bradley, born in 1811, also SC., who I believe was the daughter of the John Bradley living near the Paynes in Lowndes in 1840, as well as having lived near them in Kershaw. SC., for many years previous to that. It appears these families all moved together.

William was a country Doctor/farmer, throughout his life. I believe he was educated at Anderson, South Carolina, ca 1830. There is is listing for a young couple there in 1830, just her and him, and the ages fit for William and Elizabeth. I have not found a marriage record for him and Elizabeth.

William is found in 1840 in Lowndes, Alabama, with him, wife, and four children, which fit the ages for his children then born, as identified in later census/death records. All of his children were born in Alabama, starting in 1833. Between 1840-1850 he moved to Randolph County, Alabama, where he was listed in the 1850 US Census. He moved a couple years later to Wood County, Texas, where he farmed, practiced medicine, and died in Nov. 1880. He had two nice farms, both over 200 acres, and extensive personal property. Elizabeth had died 1860-1870, and William had married a woman named Nancy, b. ca. 1822, Ga., who survived him. He stipulated in his will made Sep. 1879 that one farm would belong to Nancy, and the heirs of her body, and the other farm and personal property would be divided among his living children from his wife Elizabeth, who he named. I believe the reference to Nancy's heirs was in regard to children of her first marriage, as no children belonging to her and William Payne have been found.

Elizabeth's maiden name is recorded as having been Bradley on the death of her and William's son David T Payne.

There was a Stephen Payne b. ca 1814 SC., that lived in Smith and Henderson Counties in Texas, neighbors to Wood County, that was in Pike County, Alabama in 1840 that I believe was possibly either Elizabeth's brother, a son of John Bradley, or her cousin, a son of the Samuel Bradley in Montgomery, AL.

William's brother, John Payne, born ca. 1819 SC, was living in 1880 in Quitman, Wood County, Texas, with Eliza Rozell, William and Elizabeth's daughter, identified as his niece, in the US census. This john Payne's wife was still living in Alabama at the time, and he is also missing from the household she was living in 1870.

I am able to identify some of John Bradley's children, but some are so close to both him and Samuel I have as to yet been able to ascertain exactly who belonged to whom, thus am not yet comfortable in going too far past mere suggestions.

I believe it is possible to ascertain to a great degree of probability as to some of the children of Benjamin Payne, but again, do not have the definitive proofs yet needed.


Descendants of Benjamin Payne


Generation No. 1

1. BENJAMIN2 PAYNE (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1780 in Kershaw County, South Carolina, and died 1860 in probably Rocky Mount, Lowndes County, Alabama. He married REBECCA ASHWORTH Abt. 1806. NR
She was born ca 1785 in Craven, Kershaw County, South Carolina, and died August 1869 in Rutledge, Crenshaw County, Alabama.

Notes for BENJAMIN PAYNE:
1810 United States Federal Census South Carolina > Kershaw > Not Stated > 4
Ben Payne
2 males under 10 (William B & ?) Missing older son of Ben
1 male 16-25
1 male 26-44
1 female under 10
1 female 16-25

NEXT DOOR TO Ben in 1810
John Payne
2 males 16-25
1 male 45 and up
2 females 10-15
1 female 16-25
1 female 45 and up

1820 United States Federal Census South Carolina > Kershaw > Not Stated > 16
Benjamin Payne
2 males 0-9 (Powell Payne/John Payne)
1 male 10-16 (William B Payne)
1 male 16-18 older son of Ben Payne?
1 male 26-45
3 females 0-9
1 female 26-45

John Payne
1 male 45 and up
1 female 26-45
1 female 45 and up


1830 United States Federal Census South Carolina > Kershaw > Not Stated > 57
Benjamin Payne
1 male under 5
3 males 15-19
1 male 40-49
1 female under 5
1 female 5-9
2 females 10-14
1 female 15-19
1 female 30-39

1840 United States Federal Censuss Alabama > Lowndes > Not Stated > 85
B Payne
1 male 10-14
1 male 20-29
1 male 50-59
1 female 10-14
1 female 40-49

1840 United States Federal Censuss Alabama > Lowndes > Not Stated > 85
William Payne
1 male under 5
1 male 5-9
1 male 30-39
1 female under 5
1 female 5-9
1 female 20-29

1850 United States Federal Census Alabama > Lowndes > Rocky Mount > 24
Benjamin Payne 70 sadler SC
Rebecca J 60 SC
Rebecca F 23 SC
Rachel 18 SC
Margaret 6 SC

Notes for REBECCA ASHWORTH:
1860 United States Census Alabama > Montgomery > District 2 > 13 Ramah
John Payne 45 farmer SC
Henrietta 50 GA
Benjamin 17 AL
Thos 14 AL
Zachariah 11 AL
John 8 AL
Susan Bradley 12 AL
Rebecca Payne 75 SC

More About BENJAMIN PAYNE and REBECCA ASHWORTH:
Marriage: Abt. 1806
       
Children of BENJAMIN PAYNE and REBECCA ASHWORTH are:
2.       i.       WILLIAM B.3 PAYNE, b. Abt. 1807, South Carolina; d. November 1880, Wood County, Texas.
3.       ii.       POWELL PAYNE, b. Abt. 1812, South Carolina; d. 1870, Lowndes County, Alabama.
4.       iii.       JOHN PAYNE, said to have benn b. April 20, 1816, South Carolina; may have d. August 14, 1880. (In Wood County, Texas in 1880)(census records vary as to his actual birth.
       iv.       KEZIAH PAYNE, b. Abt. 1820, South Carolina; d. August 25, 1893, Crenshaw County, Alabama; m. WILLIAM DUKE, December 15, 1842, Lowndes County, Alabama; b. March 15, 1815, South Carolina; d. July 24, 1878, Krenshaw County, Alabama.
       v.       REBECCA PAYNE, b. Abt. 1827, South Carolina.
       vi.       ARCHELAUS PAYNE, b. February 25, 1831, South Carolina.
       vii.       RACHEL PAYNE, b. Abt. 1832, South Carolina.


Generation No. 2

2. WILLIAM B.3 PAYNE (BENJAMIN2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1807 in South Carolina, and died November 1880 in Wood County, Texas. He married (1) ELIZABETH BRADLEY Abt. 1832, probable daughter of JOHN BRADLEY and MARGARET GARDNER. She was born ca 1811 in South Carolina, and died Bet. 1860 - 1870 in Wood County, Texas. He married (2) NANCY. She was born Abt. 1822 in Georgia.

Notes for WILLIAM B. PAYNE:
1830 United States Federal Census Anderson, South Carolina
Name:       William Payne
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29:       1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19:       1

1840 United States Federal Census Lowndes, Alabama
William Payne
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1 William Edward 1837
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1 John T
Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: 1 William B 1807
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 1 Eliza 1837
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 1 Martha 1833
Free White Persons- Female 20-29 Elizabeth 1811

1850 Census, Alabama, Randolph County, Beat # 3, page 298
William B Payne 42 Physician SC
Elizabeth 40 SC
Martha 16 AL
John T 15 AL
Eliza 13 AL
Julia 10 AL
William E 10 AL
Joseph 5
David 4 AL
Peter 2 AL

1860 Census, Texas, WOOD, Roll 1308 Book 1, Page 378a Webster P.O.
W.B. Payne 55 MD SC
Elizabeth 48 SC
Martha Munroe 25 GA
John T Payne 22 farmer AL
William E 20 farmer AL
Julia 17 AL
Peter 16 farmer AL
Joseph 13 AL
David 11 AL
Jasper Munroe 25 farmer GA
Thom E 3 TX

1870 Census,Texas, WOOD, Roll 1609 Book 1, Page 568a Winnsboro P.O.
W.B. Payne 64 Physician SC
Nancy 45 keeping house AL
Eliza E Rozell 28 AL
Julia Payne 23 AL
Peter 22 working farm AL
David 21 farm AL
James 13 TX

1880 Census Place:       Precinct 4, Wood, Texas
       Source:       FHL Film 1255333 National Archives Film T9-1333 Page 333B
       Relation       Sex       Marr       Race       Age       Birthplace
W. B. PAYNE       Self       M              W       74       SC
       Occ:       Physician       Fa: VA       Mo: SC
Nancy PAYNE       Wife       F       M       W       58       GA
       Occ:       Keeping House       Fa: GA       Mo: GA
J. LAPLANT       Dau       F       M       W       37       AL
       Occ:       At Home       Fa: SC       Mo: SC
George MAGGS       Other       M       S       W       22       GA
       Occ:       Works On Farm - Boarder       Fa: SC       Mo: SC

Made Last Will And Testement 14 aug, 1878

More About WILLIAM PAYNE and ELIZABETH BRADLEY:
Marriage: Abt. 1832

       
Children of WILLIAM PAYNE and ELIZABETH BRADLEY are:
       i.       MARTHA4 PAYNE, b. 1833, Alabama; m. (1) JASPER MONROE; b. Abt. 1835, Georgia; m. (2) BISHOP.
       ii.       JOHN T. PAYNE, b. January 13, 1836, Alabama; d. August 25, 1898, Ladonia, Fannin County, Texas; m. MARTHA V. HENSLEE, August 29, 1869
       iii.       ELIZA E. PAYNE, b. Abt. 1837, Alabama; m. JOHN ROZELL.
       
iv.       WILLIAM EDWARD PAYNE, b. March 11, 1837, Alabama; d. November 07, 1904, Detroit, Red River County, Texas; m. MARY ELIZABETH KITRELL, December 15, 1864, Lauderdale County , Mississippi; b. July 31, 1843, Mississippi; d. March 08, 1912, Detroit, Red River County, Texas.
       
v.       JULIA PAYNE, b. Abt. 1843, Alabama; m. (1) LAPLANT, Bef. 1880; m. (2) DAVID CONNER, April 18, 1883, Hunt County, Texas; b. June 1834, Ohio.

       vi.       PETER CALVIN PAYNE, b. March 05, 1844, Alabama; d. June 28, 1903, Paris, Lamar County, Texas; m. (1) MARIETTA RUSH, September 22, 1872, Fannin County, Texas; b. April 01, 1854, Fannin County, Texas; d. 1878, Fannin County, Texas; m. (2) MARY CALDONIA EWER, December 16, 1880, Fannin County, Texas; b. July 1860, Texas; d. 1931, Roseville, Placer County, California.
       
        vii.       JOSEPH PAYNE, b. Bet. 1845 - 1847, Alabama; d. Bef. 1880. Not named in William's will.

       viii.       DAVID T. PAYNE, b. June 1848, Alabama; d. June 09, 1920, Corsicana, Navarro County, Texas; m. RHODA ANN RAMSON, Abt. 1873; b. 1853, Texas.


3. POWELL3 PAYNE (BENJAMIN2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1812 in South Carolina, and died 1870 in Lowndes County, Alabama. He married (1) ELIZABETH. She was born 1812 in South Carolina. He married (2) ABIGAIL.


4. JOHN3 PAYNE (BENJAMIN2, JOHN1) was born April 20, 1816 in South Carolina, and died August 14, 1880. He married HENRIETTA MARTHA THROWER January 08, 1842 in Lowndes County, Alabama. She was born January 06, 1810 in Georgia, and died January 07, 1888 in Butler County, Alabama.

Notes for JOHN PAYNE:
1850 United States Federal Census Alabama > Montgomery > District 2 > 17
John Payne 29 farmer sc
Henietta 39 GA
Benjamin 8 AL
Thomas 6 AL
Zachariah 3 AL
William T Thrower 16 farmer AL

1860 United States Census Alabama > Montgomery > District 2 > 13 Ramah
John Payne 45 farmer SC
Henrietta 50 GA
Benjamin 17 AL
Thos 14 AL
Zachariah 11 AL
John 8 AL
Susan Bradley 12 AL
Rebecca Payne 75 SC

1870 United States Federal Census Alabama > Crenshaw > Township 11 > 33
Henrietta Payne 59 GA
John W 19 AL

1880 United States Federal Census Texas > Wood > Precinct 3 > 126 > 12/ June 7
John Payne 61 farmer SC TN SC
Eliza Rosell 38 niece AL SC SC

Notes for HENRIETTA MARTHA THROWER:
1870 United States Federal Census Alabama > Crenshaw > Township 11 > 33
Henrietta Payne 59 GA
John W 19 AL

More About JOHN PAYNE and HENRIETTA THROWER:
Marriage: January 08, 1842, Lowndes County, Alabama
       
Children of JOHN PAYNE and HENRIETTA THROWER are:
       i.       BENJAMIN4 PAYNE, b. 1842, Alabama.
       ii.       THOMAS PAYNE, b. 1844, Alabama.
       iii.       ZACHARIAH PAYNE, b. 1847, Alabama.
       iv.       JOHN WASHINGTON PAYNE, b. June 03, 1851, Alabama; d. July 13, 1924, Covington, Alabama.



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