Re: Paces in England
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Richard Pace 4/14/11
I collected Pace items for fifty years and only last year made a serious effort to organize them. I do not have the original source for the items you mention but assume I picked them up from a genealogical volume of some sort.
If I come across the sources, I will post them.
I have Jervis Wegg's book, Richard Pace, A Tudor Diplomatist, published in 1932.
His comments on Paces living in and around this Richard Pace's time might be of some value in putting together a better picture of the family in England.
He makes these points:
1. Richard Pace was apparently born in Hampshire as that is the first place he is found. When he retired it was to the New Forest. He was born about 1483 when Richard III became king, making the name popular. His book De Fructu ex Doctrina Percipitur gives an account of his life.
2. In 1501, the manor of Mainsbridge was the subject of an action brought by John Pace on behalf of the Dudley family. It became the property of Edmund Dudley, Henry VII's notorious minister. This manor, also called Swaythling, was near Southampton Water. (See The Victoria History of Hampshire, 1908).
3. In November, 1509, about the time Richard began to engage in public business, John Pace was groom of the king's chamber. (Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Vol. I, p. 228)
4. The manor of Holbury in Hampshire passed to Thomas Pace after the dissolution of the monasteries. It had been in possession of the abbots of Beaulieu.Pace was at the time steward to Peter Compton, son of Sir William Compton, at Ashley and Arnewood. He was already in possession of the manor of Cadlands jointly with his wife. This stretched down the shore of Southhampton Water, near Fawley, on the same side as Beaulieu.He also held the manor of Langley. Cadlands had been in the possession of the abbots of Titchfield in Richard Pace's time. Richard during his madness was put into the care of the Abbot of Beaulieu, in whose diocese Pace held two livings. The Abbot was Bishop of Bangor in Wales. The Abbot asked Wolsey to reward a young relation of his who had tended Richard Pace in his illness by giving him the stewardship of the estates of Sir William Compton. Thomas Pace must have been this relative as he was soon steward. (Letters and Papers, Vol. I, p. 284). The Abbot and Bishop had been born with the name of Pace but changed it to Thomas Skevingtonwhen he became a monk. He was born apparently in Leicestershire, a son of John Pace. Was the Abbot an uncle of Richard Pace the minister of the king or a brother?
Was Thomas Pace, the steward, a nephew of Dean Richard?
5. Thomas Pace of Leicestershire married a girl from Southbourne in Hampshire. Was he Dean Richard Pace's brother? ((See History of the the County of Leicestershire, Vol. I, p. 548, by J. Nichols)
6. John Pace of Stepney, Middlesex, was admitted to King's College, Cambridge, in 1539, at age 17, coming from Eton, and was made a fellow in 1542. He later became the King's Jester. (Cooper's Athenae Cantabrigienses). He was born while Richard Pace was in Italy and Wegg says one source indicates he was son of John Pace, Dean Richard's brother. This John Pace was made customer of Lynn in 1522.
7. Richard Pace, the diplomatist and dean of St. Paul's, was vicar of Stepney and was buried in the church near the high altar in 1536.
Wegg impresses me as a thorough scholar of the subject and a clear writer.
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