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Re: Indian lineage?
Posted by: Phyllis Rhodes (ID *****1072) Date: November 14, 2007 at 11:57:49
In Reply to: Re: Indian lineage? by Danielle Ibsen of 28417

Danielle,
I'm Phyllis Rhodes, Cherokee by blood. I'm from the
N.E. part of the state, the Cherokee Strip as they call it.
However, I'm living in Ardmore, Ok. in the Chickasaw Nation. You may have all the info that you need, but if not
I would be happy to help you out. The Chickasaw Headquarters are in Tishomingo, Ok. and a lot of their offices are in Ada, Oklahoma. I go to their Health Clinic
here in Ardmore, and their hospital is in Ada, which I've
been a patient in years passed.
My family had been turned down at first too. However,
w/sueing the gov. they eventually got to sign the Dawes.
It was my ggrandfather and grandfather. It's interesting,
my ggrandfather married a Lucinda Holt. When the Tribes
made the move, they first was moved into Arkansas, then
later the I. T.(OK.) was opened up. They had to be living
in I.T. from 1898 to 1906. Proving this was sometimes very
hard, some agents just wouldn't accept what proof some
presented about their blood line. Being the Indian Woman,
who was the blood line, was not in favor that much w/the
Gov. to sign them up w/a white husband. They still don't let the white husbands have the benefits, but years back,
they let my mom in on my dad's card,as he was Indian by
blood. Later, they changed that to and she couldn't be on it. The Cherokee tribe has voted twice to have the white's that were married to an Indian, or the freedmen taken off. So far, the U.S.Gov. hasn't agreed to that. If you will put the Final Dawes Commission in your search engine box, or The Five Civilized Tribes, you will find a lot of important information on all the tribes. There was other
Rolls, also listed on line, that were made up as the removal of the Indians from N.C., Va., Tn., etc., but then
they came up w/passing the Final Dawes Rolls that the gov.
and Tribes go by today.
You can actually see the Dawes Rolls on-line. Also, I think
it will be possible to get why or what kept your family
from signing up. These records are in Fort Worth, Texas &
are available w/a small fee. We have the court records of
my family testifing on their blood line, they were finally
accepted........thank goodness. At the time, being full,
or part Indian, being married to an Indian wasn't looked
upon w/favor. My blood line is from my gggrandmother,she was 1/4, my ggrandfather wasn't any. Some even signed up, not putting their amount correctly, because after a certain amount of blood,
you would be assigned (like today it is called "case worker"). to oversee what you were doing w/your land grants, etc..Some didn't want the gov. looking over their
shoulder all the time.You will find this research on line. My g.grandfather is listed as 1/8 and that
is correct, however some of his sibblings are listed as
1/16. They signed up at two different locations in the
Cherokee Nation w/different agents and I'm sure that happened w/the others to. Some of the agents at the places of signing up really just didn't know how to figure the fractions!? Some say that the agents could be bought off?
That it was strictly up to who was working at the time and
they had the power to do what they wanted about letting
people sign? That I don't know about,more than likely, it
probably was true, it was kayos trying to get it all done.
I didn't mean to go on..........but hope this helps you
out. If I can help you w/anything else, please email me.

Happy Researching
Phyllis


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