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Re: William Paine/Margaret Speakman Ross Co. to Madison Co.
Posted by: Lisa Hoffman (ID *****9436) Date: November 29, 2006 at 18:22:50
In Reply to: Re: William Paine/Margaret Speakman Ross Co. to Madison Co. by Tom Dewitt of 728

Thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it so much. I never knew that Minor Paine was a half brother. I had Elizabeth, Minor, Bushrod, Gustavus, Minerva and Anne as being born between 1832-1849. I thought they were all the children of William and Margaret. Jesse and John were born after 1849, so I was unsure of their parentage, although I thought Margaret might be the mother, but it was after William Paine was gone on the 1850 census. Now, I found Margaret Paine listed alone on the 1840 census with only two young boys. So William must have left before 1840, so all the children born between 1832 and 1840 are probably William and Margaret's, and after 1840 are Margaret's and someone else's. Unless I have all of the birth dates wrong, which I don't think that I do. Also, if Elizabeth was born in 1832, why isn't she on the 1840 census? I'm going to have to really do some thinking on this one, it's getting even more confusing than I possibly thought it could be. Also, if Margaret married again, the name wouldn't still be Paine, and she wouldn't be listed as "head" on the census records, but who knows, maybe her husband or whomever was away working or something.

Going back to Elizabeth, Margaret's daughter, the pension records say that she had two illegitimate children PRIOR to marrying Mortimer Carey. The special examiner was not very kind in descriptions of both Elizabeth and Mortimer, very judgemental about the out of wedlock children, and the fact that Mortimer married three times, yet there were never any divorces or deaths that anyone could locate. It is very interesting reading, to say the least. One illegitimate child was Marietta Paine. One child with Mortimer was Frank Carey. I thought the other illegitimate one might be either John Paine or Jesse Paine, but I guess not if he is a half brother to Gus. In late census records, Jesse is living with Elizabeth and Etta. He is listed as a son, a brother and when he was only with Etta, he was listed as an uncle.

I just received Jesse's death certificate today, and it says both parents were unknown. But, he died in the Knights of Pythion home for the aged in Clark County, so since he was the only one of the family around, the Aged home might not have known the information. He never married, to my knowledge. I sent away for Etta Mills death cert at the same time, but I guess I mailed it to the wrong location, the letter said to check elsewhere. Anyway, I've gone on long enough, you have been so nice to help in this query. I really appreciate it, and hope I haven't bored you too much with this response! Thanks, again,

Lisa


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