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Robert: Thank you for your quick response. This is the type of discussion that I was hoping to create with my message. But first, to correct my record--I see an error in my original posting. I should have said that the Joseph in question was the son of David Ogden of “Roxbury”, the grandson of David of “White Plains” and the great-grandson of John of “Rye.” Your reply correctly shows this lineage, and I thank you for keeping the record correct.
However, I question that this is the Joseph Ogden died at the Wyoming Massacre. I accept that this is current common wisdom, but I wish to challenge it. Do you know of any evidence, other than the name on the monument, which supports the inscribed Joseph Ogden to be the son of David of Roxbury? If so, I would be very interested in the source.
In 1778 the Pennemite-Yankee War was not yet settled, having been put on the back burner for the Rev War and flaring up again immediately after Yorktown. The Wyoming Valley was in complete control of the Yankee settlers by the start of the Rev War. The Yankee settlers provided their troops to the Connecticut line and the Wyoming militia stood apart from the PA militia, at least until after the Wyoming Massacre when continental troops intervened. To my knowledge, there were no Pennemites involved in the defense of the Wyoming Valley in 1778, although I accept that one or two may have slipped in. However, it is doubtful that one of them would have been a “Roxbury” Ogden, because at that time, the name Amos Ogden was roundly vilified by the Connecticut settlers, and it is virtually certain that all his brothers were similarly despised.
Who else could he have been? There were Ogden’s living in western New York at the time, and it is known that refugees from the upper reaches of the Susquehanna were involved in the defense of the Wyoming Valley. Also, it seems possible that there could have been Connecticut or New York Ogden’s among the Yankee settlers. There are other possibilities as well, and without further provenance, I am reluctant to conclude that the Joseph Ogden inscribed on the monument is the son of David of Roxbury.
Joseph Ogden of Northumberland was probably still living in 1784 when he is listed as Joseph Ogden Sr. adjacent to Joseph Ogden Jr. in the warrant register for Northumberland County (for land in Mahoning Twp). This Joseph Ogden, living so close to John and Nancy Ogden Salmon (as well as others who were involved in the First Pennemite-Yankee War), on Fishing Creek, is too compelling to dismiss.
In addition to the close proximity of time and place, the connection of the children of David of Roxbury to Lower Smithfield Township (LST), Northampton County, PA must be considered. Joseph Salmon (s/o John) and Amos Vancampen (s/o Cornelius) are documented as boyhood friends in LST prior to their fathers' involvement in the First Pennemite War and their subsequent relocation to Columbia County. Many on the Pennemite side are found resident in LST both before and after the Rev War. Pamela Ogden of Fishing Creek married Elijah Horton of LST about 1790. Gilbert, Gabriel and David Ogden (sons or grandsons of David of Roxbury) appear in the public records of Lower Smithfield prior to 1790. These Ogden’s and associated families, including the Horton family into which Pamela Ogden married, relocated from Lower Smithfield to the upper reaches of the Susquehanna (Wyoming/Bradford County, PA and Tioga/Tompkins Co., NY) before 1800.
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