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Re: Who left for America
Posted by: Taryn (ID *****2998) Date: October 25, 2008 at 20:03:10
In Reply to: Who left for America by Judi Pivoras of 17707

Johan Fredrik Andersen son of Anders Nielsen and Guri Fredriksdatter, born 18 Feb. 1860, christened 22 Apr 1860.

His baptism record, an actual scan of the page, should be on the Digitised parish registers, (which isn't working right now tonight. hmmmm.)

It should be on the registers for Kvernes, in the Norwegian county of Møre og Romsdal.

The information on the census of 1865 was interesting,

http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=29&filnamn=f61553&gardpostnr=868&personpostnr=5572&merk=5572#ovre

Kvernes og Bremsnes (main parish)
Kvernes (local parish church name)
Vebenstad (farm name) 228a 1 (farm number)

Headings: (Personnr. Hushald Førenamn Etternamn Fam. stilling Yrke Sivilstand Alder Kjønn Fødestad Hestar Stort kveg Får Svin Bygg Havre Poteter

5572 33 1 Anders Niels. Husfader Gaardbruger Selveier g 48 m Qværnæs Prgj.

Person # 5572, household 33, Anders Nielsen, head of household, farmer and self-owner (owns the farm himself), married, age 48, male, born in Kvernes/Qværnæs parish

Horses 2
Cattle 6
Sheep 13
Pigs 1
Bygg (rye?) 3/16
Oats 5 1/2
Potatoes 4

5573 34 Guri Frederiksd. hans Kone g 43 k Thingvolds Prgj.
(Guri Frederiksdatter, his wife, married, age 43, female, born in Thingvolds parish)

5574 1 Niels Anders. deres Søn hjælper Faderen med Gaardsbruget ug 22 m Qværnæs Prgj.
(Niels Andersen, their son, helps the father with farmwork, unmarried age 22, male, born Kvernes parish.)

5575 2 Johan Anders. deres Søn ug 6 m Qværnæs Prgj.
(Johan Andersen, their son, unmarried, in his 6th year, male, Kvernes parish)

5576 3 Ane Maria Andersd. deres Datter ug 20 k Qværnæs Prgj.
(Ane Maria Andersdatter, their daughter, unmarried, age 20, female, Kvernes/Qværnæs parish.)

5577 4 Olava Henrika Andersd. deres Datter ug 16 k Qværnæs Prgj.
(Olava Henrika Andersdatter, their daughter, unmarried age 16, Kvernes parish)

5578 5 Anna Petrine Andersd. deres Datter ug 15 k Qværnæs Prgj.
(Anna Petrine Andersdatter, their daughter, unmarried, age 15, female, Kvernes parish)

5579 6 Anna Marie Andersd. deres Datter ug 11 k Qværnæs Prgj.
(Anna Marie Andersdatter, their daughter, unmarried, age 11, female, Kvernes parish)

5580 7 Gurine Nilsd. Sønne=datter ug 3 k Qværnæs Prgj.
(Gurine Nilsdatter, their son's daughter, unmarried, age 3, female, Kvernes parish) She is Niels's daughter.

5581 8 Lars Thors. Rusten Tjenestedreng ug 18 m Vaage Prgj.
(Lars Thorsen Rusten, hired help/man, unmarried age 18, male, born Vaage Parish)


In 1886 on the farm tax census, the oldest brother Niels Andersen is shown as the owner. It doesn't necessarily mean the parents have died. The oldest son inherited the farm and sometimes the parents. He was their retirement plan.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/matrikkel/mtliste.aspx?knr=1553&gnr=67

Here are all the farms/subfarms at the main farm called Vebenstad in 1886

Fylke: Møre og Romsdal (county)
Kommune: Kvernes (municipality)
Sogn: Bremsnes (parish)
Gårdsnummer: 67 (main farm number)
Gammelt matrikkelnr: 131 (old numbering system)
Navn på gård: Vebenstad (name of the main farm)
Antall bruk registrert på matrikkelgården: 10 (total subfarms that exist under that main farm)

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Bruksnr Gammelt
løpenr Bruksnavn Brukers navn Skyld i
Mark-Øre Skyld i
Daler-Ort-Skilling Merknad
1 225 Vebenstad C. Møllerop 3-74 1-4-13-0
2 226a Vebenstad Iver Olsen 2-84 1-3-4-0
3 226b Bahaugen Peder Olsen 0-27 0-0-18-0
4 226c Nerøien Jakob Anbjørnsen 0-21 0-0-15-0
5 227a Skaret Knud Løvesen 2-79 1-2-12-0
6 227b Vebenstad Peder Løvesen 0-20 0-0-13-0
7 227c Birkelund Knud Olsen Nebstad 0-55 0-1-12-0
8 228a Vebenstad Nils Andersen 2-38 1-2-21-0
9 228b Orbakken Ole Nilsen 0-36 0-0-19-0 Ogsaa skr. Orabakken
10 228c Vebenstad Edvard Eriksen 0-27 0-0-21-0


on the census of 1900, the farm is listed under
1900-telling for 1554 Bremsnæs not under Kvernes. The parish must have gotten too big and divided into two churches perhaps.

By 1900 there is no sign of the old Anders Nielsen and wife Guri Fredriksdatter living there. In fact, the brother Niels Andersen is already retired and has given the farm over to HIS son, Anders Nielsen (names after his grandfather.) And to make it more confusing, Anders Nielsen has a son named Niels Andersen too.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f01554&gardpostnr=500&merk=500#ovre

Bremsnes 9 67 8 Vebenstad n 12 12 11 j j j n n n
Household no. Given name Last name Sex Resident Usual residence Family pos. Marital status Occupation Year of birth Birth place Nationality Religion
3360 1 Anders Nilsen Vebenstad m b Hf g Gaardbruger, fisker 1870 T N S
3361 Gjertine Johannesdt. k b Hm g Gaardbruger kone 1869 T N S
3362 Johannes Andersen m b S ug Søn 1896 T N S
3363 Nils Andersen m b S ug Søn 1898 T N S
3364 Iver Andersen Helset m b Tj ug Tjenestedreng 1883 T N S
3365 Olise Olsdtr. Folland k b Tj ug Tjenestepige 1877 Kornstad Rom N S
3366 Aksel Mortensen m mt Kristiansund B ug Aarbeider paa klipfiskbergene 1885 Buksnes Nor N S
3367 Dortea Johannesdtr. Hoel k b EL ug Forsørges for fattigvæsenet Forhenværende butikjomfru 1854 T N S
3368 1 Nils Andersen Vebenstad m b Hf g Kaarmand 1844 T N S
3369 Magdelene Nilsdtr. k b Hm g Kaarmandshustru 1843 T N S
3370 Peder Nilsen m b S ug Fisker, gaardsarbeider 1880 T N S
3371 Anna Nilsdtr. k b D ug Datter - husstel 1885 T N S


The next time I can take a look at Vebenstad main farm 67, Subfarm 8, is in 1950, on another farm/tax census. It shows this owner's name:

Johannes A. Vebenstad

That looks like a good match for the oldest son that was on the 1900 census,

Johannes Andersen m b S ug Søn 1896

so it is a very good chance that unless something drastic happened in the last 60 years, the farm might still be owned by a descendant of that family. Which isn't unusual.


the good news for you is that they were farm owners, so their farm and family history might be traced in a community history book called a Bygdebok, which might tell if there were any siblings that emigrated, and even maybe tell when the parents died.

Averøy is an island where I think this all happened?
Their must be at least 3 church parishes there?

AVERØY bygdeboker

Berg, Gudmund.Averøy Bygdebok. Trondheim: Averøy Kulturstyre,1979.
Bd. I - Busettingssoge fram til år 1500, gards- og ættesoge for Kvernes sokn
Call No. DL596.A92 A9 v.1

Berg, Gudmund.Averøy Bygdebok. Trondheim: Averøy Kulturstyre,1979.
Bd. II – Gards og ættesoge for Bruvoll Skolekrets og Raudsand

Bd. III – Gards og ættesoge for Gardsnummer 52, Bremsnes
Call No. DL596.A92 A9 v.2-3

Bind 4. Gards- og ættesoge for Ekkilsøya og Nedre Bådalen/Endre Holten. - 2004. - 608 s. Merknader og rettinger til tidligere bind: s. 546-593. Garder omtalt i bindet: Ekkilsøya, Ekkilsøymyra, Grønvika, Haukåsen, Fransvågen, Sørvika, Vebenstad, Bjørshol, Dyrset, Hol, Hoset i Bådalen.


I think this fourth volume might be the one you want, the Bremsnes farm and family history information.

Try taking that Averøy bygdebok request to your local library and see if they can get the book on loan for you.

In 1925 or so Norwegians had to finally take a permanent lastname, and it looks like Vebenstad was the name of choice. There is a Norway white pages telephone book online and you can get names and addresses for any Vebenstads in that area and send them a snail mail if you want to.

the Norway names search site tells me that there are currently 126 with Vebenstad as last name. YOu might not be related to all of them, since unrelated people at that same main farm also probably took the permanent surname Vebenstad in 1925, but you could be related to some of them.

telephone and address searching, type Vebenstad into the blank

Then on the left are some ways to narrow it down a bit. Under the Surname heading, click on Vebenstad.

After that refreshes, then go to Averøy on the left menu, click and let that refresh. Those names and addresses that are left are the ones I would write to if you want to try to contact relatives. Keep the letter simple, in English, and include information about your ancestor. Maybe some photos.

I did some online searching and found some old family gossip,

http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=67680&highlight=vebenstad

In the parish records it shows that Anders Nielsen had an illegitimate child around 1900. (he was the farm owner in 1900, the son of Niels Andersen, and grandson of the older Anders Nielsen, your subject's father)

It was from the genealogist page where they were asking for additions and corrections to the bygdebok for that area.

Any of them with the postal code

6530 Averøy
Norway

seem like good ones to write to.

Vebenstad is a farm in Bådalen in Averøy.









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