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Re: George or Samuel Neider, Reading, Pa
Posted by: Thaya Skirvin Elrod Date: August 08, 2000 at 20:39:22
In Reply to: Re: George or Samuel Neider, Reading, Pa by Jean Koch of 58

Neidert History
(Copied as was written from a book owned by my aunt,
which was compiled by George A. Neidert of Reading, PA in 1941)


If a person says that he does not care to know where his grandparents were born and lived and what they did it can mean that he is incapable of taking interest in one of the most interesting form of human knowledge, the knowledge of details of the past.

The purpose of this book is to give a brief outline of the History and Records of the Neidert Family, which was gotten from the older members of the families, bibles, church records and convents.

Compiled in 1941 by George A. Neidert


       During the summer of 1935 the Neiderts of Reading, Pennsylvania, their children and grandchildren held a family picnic in Egelmann's Park, and the suggestion was made that the gathering be celebrated as an annual affair. It was agreed, and a meeting was held. Mrs. George A. Neidert served as temporary chairman. The following officers were elected: President, George A. Neidert; Vice President, Leo A. Neidert; Secretary, Helen Zunzer; Treasurer, Andrew P. Bush.

       Later Mrs. Carl Zunzer suggested to George A Neidert that it might be desirable to gather the records of the Neidert Family as some day those records might be in demand. So the same George A. Neidert started upon the task. First the records of those residing in Reading were obtained. Later he added the records of the Neidert branch living in Philadelphia.

       At that time it was not known that other Neiderts than those in this locality, were living in America. None had ever been heard from. Naturally, in compiling the more recent records, the question of earlier ancestry arose. George A. Neidert remembered that his father had given him a record of his parents. Locating the memorandum he found that his grandparents were John George Neidert and Cordula Weidenboerner, and that they came from Steinbach, Kreis Hunfeld, Province Fulda, Kur Hessen, Germany.

       Also naturally, he was curious as to whether there were any Neiderts still living in Germany, and he began a study of the maps of the Reich in an attempt to locate Kur Hessen. Not finding it on the many old maps in the local Public Library. Finally it was located, but only with the aid of a local German family who had recently emigrated from Germany, and who had brought with them a more modern Atlas. This Atlas showd that Kur Hessen is now known as Hessen Nassau.

       With this information, George Neidert wrote to Germany, addressing his letter to the Pastor of the Roman Catholic Church in Steinbach, Hessen Nassau. To this communication he received no answer. He then wrote to the Mayor of Fulda, which is a large city near Steinbach. In a month's time he received a letter from the Police Dept. of Fulda, giving the names and addresses of five Neidert families. To those he promptly wrote. Knowing that the cost of return postage would be large in the estimation of the German people, he used the International Return Postal Coupons, enclosing sufficient in each envelope to mail the reply. Replies followed rather promptly.

       One of the letters came from an Eva Neidert, and in her letter she told him that she had a nephew living in New York City - one Richard Neidert. That same day a letter was addressed to New York. Apparently Eva Neidert had written to him simultaneously with the letter to America, and he was astonished to learn that there were other Neiderts in the New World. He had thought that he was the only one.
       Much correspondence followed between the New York Richard Neidert, and George Neidert in Reading. He furnished all the information he could regarding the lineage of his branch of the Neidert.

       Regarding the ancestors of George A. Neidert, it is not certain at the present time when his grandparents, John George Neidert and Cordula Weidenboerner came to America. It is assumed to be some time between 1825 and 1830. It is known, however, that Bruno Weidenboerner had been in this country for some time, and then he went back to Germany on a visit, and brought back to America his brother John and sister Cordula Weidenboerner, and John George Neidert came with them. John George and Cordula were married in the Holy Trinity Church, at Sixth and Spruce Sts., Philadelphia, Pa., August 15, 1837. The wedding was witnessed by Bernard Weidenboerner and his wife Mary Ann. From Philadelphia, they went to Norristown, Pennsylvania, where their first child was born, and he was baptized John Adam. They then moved back to Philadelphia, and a second child was born, baptized Simon. He was named after Cordula's brother Simon. After that event they moved on a farm in New Hanover Township, Montgomery County, where they lived until after the death of Cordula, which occurred Oct. 1, 1873.

       They raised a family of eight children: three boys, John Adam, Simon, and George W., and five girls, Elizabeth, Brigetta, Barbara, Regina and Amelia. John A. went to Philadelphia and learned the carpenter trade, after working at it for some time he returned home and worked on the farm, after he got married he continued farming until about 1873 when he moved his family to Reading where he worked as a carpenter and contractor. He was active in public affairs, as is evidenced by the fact that he served as a School Controller from the Tenth Ward from 1876-1879.

       Simon married and moved to Philadelphia where for fifty years he worked as a hatter in the well known factory of John B. Stetson, and then he retired.

       George W. also was a carpenter, and moved to Philadelphia where he worked many years at his trade, when he retired he moved to Bally, Pa. living there until his death in 1922.

       Four of the girls, Elizabeth, Barbara, Bregetta, and Amelia entered the Notre Dame Convent at Baltimore, Md. Regina staid single, and lived in Philadelphia.

       Mrs. Amelia Neidert Lopping of Philadelphia informed George Neidert that her brother Reverend Albert Neidert, while attending the Seminary in Rochester, N.Y. had found some Neiderts living there. Their addresses were unknown, but George Neidert wrote to the Secretary of the Chamber of Commerce, and obtained the names and addresses of fifteen Neiderts in Rochester, N.Y. By corresponding with them, and talking with them personally, the following history of the branch of the Family was obtained.

       Joseph Neidert, son of , was born in Steinbach, November 3, 1844. As a young man he learned the cabinet and carpenter trade, at the age of 22 years he sailed from a Port in France Nov. 17, 1866, to America in a sail boat, on account of storms it took them ninety days to make the trip, arriving in Rochester, N.Y. Feb. 9, 1867, where on November 17, 1867 he married Mary Josepha Blum in St. Joseph's Church, Rochester, N.Y. His wife also hailed from Germany, she came to America two or three years before he did. After Joseph arrived in Rochester he found work in a funiture factory where he worked as a cabinet maker until he retired. An incident which occurred on his trip to America which he never forgot and often related was that during one of the storms the rudder of the ship broke, as he was the only carpenter on the boat, the captain asked him whether he would repair it, in order that he might make the necessary repairs he was lowered with a long rope into the water, while working on the rudder, the wind blew his cap off. Another story he often related was that his grandfather had been a soldier in Napoleon's Army when he went to conquer Russia but were beaten. The remnants of Napoleon's Army on their way home to France, stopped off in Germany, and his grandfather married a German girl and settled in Germany. Joseph had a brother by the name of Theodore in Germany, he died there about 1908.
       There is another Joseph Neidert still living in Rochester, N.Y. and he told me that his father was Karlman Neidert and that his grandfather was John Adam Neidert, he also claims that Franz Joseph Neidert born in 1833, son of Johann Martin Neidert was his uncle.
According to the story he was told by his grandmother and aunts, was that in the latter part of 1780-1790 a family by the name of Neidert arrived in Stenbach with a box of gold money and built a large house in which Joseph Neidert lived, he was supposed to have been a French revolutionist, and when he died he had a family of seven sons all over six feet tall, Joseph also claims that two of his uncles went to Fulda and started a business of making wax candles, two came to America sometime between 1825-1835 (I could not verify this as I wrote the Immigration Dept. at Gloucester N.J. and also the Immigration Dept. at Ellis Island, N.Y. The officials at Gloucester notified me that they could not find any records of John Geo. Neidert, the officials at Ellis Island wrote that the records had been destroyed in the fire on June 15, 1897, and therefore could not give me any records). The others staid in Steinbach. Joseph also stated that when he left Germany in 1888 there were three Neidert families still living there. Theodore, Franziska, and John George, the last named was a barber.
       There is another Neidert family living in Rochester, N.Y. descendants of Leopold Neidert, whether this Leopold is a son of John A. Neidert who died in 1861 they do not know (Most likely he is) all they know about him, is that he came from Steinbach, and married Mary Ann Baker from Boston, Mass. And that they raised a family of six children.

       Through an advertisement in St. Anthong'y Messenger we learned that there are about ninety-five Neiderts living in Tennessee. The pioneer of the Tennessee Neiderts was Gottlieb Neidert born in Fulda, Germany, March 1, 1848. He came to America in 1864 at the age of sixteen years, with an uncle, they went to Pittsburgh, Pa. where he worked in a blacksmith shop for two years then he went to Tennessee, 1872 he married Catherine Tillman, she was of German descent and was born in Wisconsin, they had nine children.

       Records on the branch of the family living in Akron, Ohio, were obtained by George A. Neidert through a newspaper report of an automobile accident which occurred during a severe rainstorm in Painesville, Ohio, where one of the occupants of the auto, named Margaret Neidert, was severely injured, and taken to a hospital where the amputation of one leg was found necessary. After much correspondence he found out that there were many Neiderts living in Akron. Most of the information regarding their family history was obtained from one Andrew Neidert [Thaya's grandfather]. The following is his story.
       He, as a young man learned the blacksmith trade, when he was 18 years old he decided to go America as he did not want to go in the army, he got out of the country by saying he was going to a neighboring country to find work, instead he came to America, in the early part of 1909, and went direct to Akron, Ohio, where most of his friends and a few relatives lived. He got work at the Burger Iron Co., he worked for them almost a year, that was in 1909, he then took a position with the Ornamental Iron Co, he worked himself up, until now he is the Superintendent. He told me that about the latter part of the 1600's or the early 1700's a group of people made up of Neiderts, Shillings, Bakers and a few other families left Hessen Cassel and moved to Hungary, to a place about 60 miles southwest of Budapest, where they started a village of their own, calling it Grosseszekly, later changed to Nagyszekely. Even to this day, the main language spoken is German.
       Upon learning that one of the Akron Neidert's mother still lived in Hungary, George Neidert induced him to write to his mother to go to the Paster of the church she attended, and get all the information she could concerning the Neiderts. She went to the Pastor of the church there. He was reluctant to give her any information until she showed him the letter from her son. He then wrote him the following letter:
       [Copy of letter regarding the Ohio Neiderts - Mar. 28, 1939]
       (The Germans of this Congregation, Nagyszekely, Hungary, came here during the years 1714-1722. They came from Hessen-Cassel, Hessen-Isenburg, Hessen-Hannau and Hesse-Oranien. They were mostly farmers, mountaineers and laborers.
       One of the first families that moved here were the Neuderts, who at that time spelled their name "Neutert". Even today, the majority of the people are Neuderts. They were all Protestants, respective Reformed.
       This Congregation was started in 1722 and from that time they kept accurate records. In 1722 the first "Neutert" was baptized one Johann Heinrich Neidert. This proves that the Neiderts ere one of the first members of this Congregation. We cannot give any more records, until we know the reason why you want them. No further information was gotten, but it is known that about the last week in October, all the Neiderts in and around Akron, O. meet in what they call the celebration of the KIROHWEIH FEST.

(NOTE [1] Every attempt was made to copy the above information exactly as written by George A. Neidert and as it appeared in the book. Hopefully I did not miss any of the diacritical markings when I attempted to go over this copy and put them in by hand.)

NOTE [2] Added by Thaya Skirvin Elrod 5/29/2000: according to my mother Elizabeth Neidert Skirvin the words Kirohweih Fest translate as Church Founding Festival or Celebration.)

(NOTE [3] The bulk of the book is family line information that he entered from the various lines mentioned above and as gathered from the various branches he mentioned in New York City; Rochester, NY; Philadelphia, PA; Reading, PA; Akron, Ohio. I am attempting to enter it all on the Family Tree Maker computer program which I recently purchased. Dated: 5/29/2000.


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