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Posted by: Raymond Ray (ID *****7056) Date: May 03, 2009 at 11:51:10
In Reply to: Neff by tammy kuhn of 2020

From: Gene1527@aol.com [mailto:Gene1527@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:41 PM
To: kenyon@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Allen Neff

Kenyon, Jesse Wayne Neff, Jr., Allens grandson, was my father.
Ancestors of Allen Oliver Neff


Generation No. 1

1. Allen Oliver Neff, born November 15, 1851 in Washington Twp/C Cass Co. Indiana (Logansport); died January 28, 1933 in Carter Co. Oklahoma. He was the son of 2. John "Jack" Neff and 3. Mary Magdalene Simon. He married (1) Mary Elizabeth Stewart 1877 in Lexington Twp/Cl. Indiana. She was born October 15, 1855 in Illinois or Missouri, and died December 13, 1877 in Thackerville, Oklahoma. She was the daughter of Harvey A Stewart and Sarah Jane Loche. He married (2) Susan Henderson Bet. 1878 - 1880 in Indian Terr. of OK.. She was born March 21, 1861 in Fredricksberg Texas, and died February 26, 1944 in Carter County, Oklahoma. She was the daughter of Jasper Henderson and Mary Scrivner.

Notes for Allen Oliver Neff:
At the time of his death, Allen Neff owned property in Carter County, Oklahoma (probably near present day Wilson Oklahoma). We know this because it was described in the following affidavit:

AFFIDAVIT OF DEATH AND HEIRSHIP
Re; W/2 SE/4 SE/4 Section 27 (20 acres, more or less), and All that part of the N/2 NE NE/4 of Section 34 lying North of the center line of the C. R. I. & P Railroad right-of-way (12 acres, more or less) both 4S -2E Carter County, Oklahoma. (note: The C.R.I. & P. Railroad is the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific Railway.)
Helen Lucille Neff Williams, of P.O. Box 266, Jones, Oklahoma, 73049, of lawful age, being first duly sworn, deposes and states:
That she is the great granddaughter of one Allen Neff, who in his lifetime and and at his death was the record owner of captioned premises; that Allen Neff died on January 28, 1933, intestate.
That Allen Neff was married twice, the first time to Elizabeth Stewart Neff of which marriage, one child, Jesse Wayne Neff, Sr. was born. That Allen Neff's second marriage was to Susan Henderson, of which marriage nine children were born, whose names and addresses are unknown.
That Jesse Wayne Neff, Sr. married Ada Salina Goodman; that he died intestate leaving as his sole heirs at law his wife, Ada Salina Goodman Neff, and nine children: Jesse Wayne Neff, Jr., Cora Bell Neff Boatright, Joseph Thomas Neff, Heber Lamar Neff, Cecil George Neff, Richard Allen Neff, Rachel Alice Neff, Frank Nathan Bradley Neff, and John Dean Neff. That John Dean Neff and Rachel Alice Neff died after Jesse Wayne Neff, Sr., and prior to March 30, 1970, and that the names and addresses of the surviving heirs of John Dean Neff and Rachel Alice Neff is unknown to this affiant, nor does this affiant know whether such decedents so named died testate or intestate.
That Jesse Wayne Neff, Jr. died on March 30, 1970, at Modesto, California, leaving as his known heirs this affiant, Helen Lucille Neff Williams, and her brother, Norman Eugene Neff, of l813 Sycamore Street, Fairfield, California 94533, and if he left other heirs, their names and addresses are unknown to this affiant.
That Heber Lamar Neff died after March 30, 1970 and prior to July 7, 1975, and that the names and addresses of his surviving heirs is unknown to this affiant, nor does this affiant know whether such decedent died testate or intestate.
That Ada Salina Goodman Neff died July 7, 1975;, after her husband , Jesse Wayne Neff, Sr., and left no issue other than those conceived by herself and Jesse Wayne Neff, Sr., described hereinabove, That her death did occur subsequent to the death of four or her children, to-with, Jesse Wayne Neff, Jr., Heber Lamar Neff, Rachel Alice Neff and John Dean Neff.
In witness whereof, said affiant sets her hand this 29th day of December, 1981
(signed, Helen Lucille Neff Williams)
According to Dolores Neff Kelley in note to me dated Aug. 1, 200l, a Tom Allen Johnson now lives on this property. He is a nephew of Jesse Wayne Neff, Sr.
Allen's address at time of death shows Ardmore, 2 miles East. Ward 100. Cause of death Complex Renal Disease. Place of burial -Pruitt, on 1/30/1933. He was a retired farmer

See court papers titled, "IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF CARTER COUNTY, STATE OF OKLAHOMA," filed in the District Court May, 29, 1960. Gives the names of all the children of Jesse Sr. & Susan Henderson as well as who was living on the property in the 1960's.

41. PRUITT CEMETERY is on Gene Autry road one-half mile north of highway 199. It is in
Range 2E, Township 4S, Section 22.



More About Allen Oliver Neff:
Burial: January 30, 1933, Pruitt Cemetery, Carter County, Oklahoma

More About Mary Elizabeth Stewart:
Burial: Old Thackerville Cemetery

Generation No. 2

2. John "Jack" Neff, born Bet. 1803 - 1810 in Kentucky; died February 26, 1872 in Grayson County, TX?. He married 3. Mary Magdalene Simon Abt. February 25, 1830 in Cass Co. Washington Twnship Indiana.
3. Mary Magdalene Simon, born January 28, 1810 in Hardy County, West Virginia; died Aft. August 1860 in Grayson County, TX?. She was the daughter of 6. Christian Simon and 7. Elizabeth Podly.

Notes for John "Jack" Neff:
The following notes are from a letter received from Dolores Neff Kelley, Dated Aug. 18, 2000:

John Neff had a close relationship and association with the Simon Family in Indiana, instead of the Neff families. We wonder where his family was? He was very young when he married, age 19 or 20 years old. Why was he in Indiana at such a young age? Who did he go there with? Why did he go there? How did he go there? All these questions have yet to be answered.

After John Neff's wife died in 1860, he chose to go to Texas to his Simon brother in laws place(Peter). One would think he would go to his Neff family, wherever they were! Some Neff genealogists suggest maybe John Neff was not born in Kentucky like it shows on the 1850 Census. We only have the 1850 Census to depend on. He had a Bible that showed he was born 1810. It did not show where. His nick-name was "Jack". John Neff took children Isaac, Mary Elizabeth and Allen with him on his way to Texas to his brother in law's Peter Simon who had lived in Texas for some time. While Peter was living in Indiana, he had applied for a marriage license in the 1890 to marry Cassidy Turner and it was never recorded. Maybe Cassidy Turner jilted Peter Simon or he jilted her. Anyway he left for Texas, never to return, to Indiana and without marrying Cassidy Turner.
John Neff's son, Issac Neff married Mary Wilkerson near Webber Falls, Oklahoma. They were parents of two sons, Isaac Neff, Jr. and William Neff. Isaac Neff. Jr. died about age 18 years old from pneumonia. William Neff was known as "Cherokee" Bill Neff, our dad's cousin(2nd cousin) not his Uncle as he called him.
One thing that Dolores is certain of is that he is not from the Leonard Neff of Kentucky even though she is aware of him and also a John Neff that was born in 1819 in Kentucky. But he never left Kentucky and he died in Kentucky and there is proof of this. He also never married! This Neff family originated from Michael Neff who came from Switzerland to Pennsylvania in 1728. Not one of ours! Not directly related anyway. Probably related if we traced back far enough. He had a son Leonard born March 8, 1775 as well as other children.

I'll bet Jack's ancestors were Palatine immigrants who first settled in PA in the mid-1700s.
(Palatines:
In 1688 Louis XIV of France began persecution of German Protestants on the west bank of the Rhine River. Queen Anne of England helped a group come to America in 1708. More than 2000 arrived in New York in 1710 and settled along the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers.)

This is the record for the farm that John Neff bought near Denison Texas in 1865

Grayson County, Texas, Book of Records- Q-page 183
STATE OF TEXAS
GRAYSON COUNTY
Know all men by these presents that I, JOSEPH BLAGG. of said
state and county for the consideration of the sum of Four Hundred dollars to me paid by
JOHN NEFF. the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, have this day granted,
bargained, Sold, released and conveyed have this day granted, bargained, sold, released
and conveyed unto the said JOHN NEFF all that certain tract or parcel of land situated
in Grayson County, State of Texas on the waters of Choctaw Creek and being part of the Headright of SAML BRAGG bounded as follows:
To wit -Beginning at the Southwest Corner of the original survey ----
Thence North --- with the West line of said original survey to the Northwest corner of the
same.

-----Thence East -----about 400 yards to the NW Corner of 20 acres sold by me to
J. J. CONRAD Corner on a Post Oak Tree mkk'd X.

Thence in a Southwesterly direction (with a Hollow to corner on a small overcup Tree standing on the South bank of Iron Ore Creek.

Thence South about one quarter of a mile Corner on a Blackjack marked X-------

Thence East to the East line of the original survey.

Thence South to the Southeast Corner of the original survey.

Thence West with the South line of said survey to the place of beginning, containing about one hundred & thirty acres of land.

Together with all and singular the rights members hereditaments and appurtenances to the same belonging or in anywise incident or appertaining to him the said JOHN NEFF his heirs or assigns forever and I the said BLAGG do hereby bind myself heirs executors and administrators to warrant and will forever defend all and and singular the premises above mentioned unto the said JOHN NEFF his heirs and assigns against every person whomever lawfully claiming or to claim the same or any part thereof.

This the 24th day of October 1865
(signed)
JOSEPH BLAGG
STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF GRAYSON
Before me G.A. Dickerman Clerk of the County Court of said County personally appeared JOSEPH BLAGG to me well known and and acknowledged he signed the foregoing Deed for the purpose and consideration herein stated.

In testimony whereof I hereunto sign my name and impress the seal of said Court of Sherman.
This 24th Day of October 1865.

(Signed) G.A. Dickerman, Clerk

Filed for Record January 17th 1866 at 2 O'clock P.M.
Recorded January 17 1866 at 4 O'clock PM

(Signed) G.A. Dickerman, Clerk

I hereby certify that the original Deed from J. Blagg to J. Neff of which this is the record was this day produced to and stamped by me as required by law.
December 31, 1866

G.A. Dickerman, Clerk
By S. Bostick, dpty

I hereby certify that the original Deed from J. BLAGG to J NEFF of which this is
the record was this day produced to and stamped by me as required by law.

December 31, 1866

G.A Dickerman, Clerk
By S. Bostick dpty



Regarding John Neff, Sr. property located in Washington Township, Cass Co. Indiana.
Data I have shows: John Neff April 10, 1849 - Tract Book (1849) Description, South East, North East, 29-26 North-South East 40, North East 9-32. Does that make any sense to you? If so maybe you can locate it. Perhaps there will be some dates of buying, selling and how much he sold it for, and to whom he sold. Maybe an in-law? Worth trying to find data regarding his property. It was not far from his brother-in-law, Leonard Simons property. He and John Neff apeared to be very good friends as well as brothers in laws. Leonard Simons property was located Section 20-28 Washington Township Cass Co. Indiana. 1860 Census Washington Township, Cass Co. Indiana lists Leonard Simons and wife and children,, so he was still there, alive and well.


Children of John Neff and Mary Simon are:
i. George Siemons Neff, born December 24, 1830; died January 07, 1831.
ii. George Neff, born December 06, 1831; died December 30, 1831.
iii. Lucinda Neff, born December 06, 1832; married Elam Jones December 25, 1849 in Indiana.

Marriage Notes for Lucinda Neff and Elam Jones:
Marriage license No. 1266 issued December, 22, 1849. Justice of Peace was J. W. Dunn

iv. Christian Neff, born November 24, 1833; died September 28, 1865.

Notes for Christian Neff:
Christian and Joseph were both probably causal ties of the Civil War

Christian, Joseph and Isaac all three signed on with the Confederate Texas Troops, 22nd Regiment, Texas Cavalry (1st Indian- Texas Regiment). This regiment was formed in Fannin County Texas and headed up by a former state senator, Robert H. Taylor. They were all assigned to the same company, Company "K". Christian was given the rank of Sergeant, (he was the oldest, at 28). Issac 20, was made Corporal and Joseph, age 25 was a private. The regiment was assigned to W.R. Bradfute's, Flournoy's, W.H.King's and J.E. Harrison's Brigade in the Trans-Mississippi Department.

By May 1862, its force was down to 20 officers and 315 men, and it lost 1 killed, 9 wounded and 1 missing at Newtonia. Later, it dismounted, saw action in Arkansas and Louisiana, and in March 1865, contained 14 officers and 167 men. It was included in the surrender on June 2. The field officers were Colonel James G. Stevens and Robert H. Taylor; and Lieutenant Colonels John A. Buck, William H. Johnson, Thomas Lewelling, George W. Merrick and Robert D. Stone.

Christian and Joseph both died in 1865. Christian was not shown on the 1860 Fannin County Texas census record with the rest of the family. He would have been 27 years old at the time of the census. It causes one to wonder where he was when the census was taken, if he joined the confederate army with his brothers, in Fannin county in 1861.

v. Joseph Neff, born April 06, 1836; died January 11, 1865.

Notes for Joseph Neff:
Joseph and Christian were both probably causal ties of the Civil Wars. See notes about Christian and Isaac.

vi. John Neff, born July 06, 1838; married (1) Ruhama Ray January 21, 1862; married (2) Rebeaka Selem December 03, 1870.
vii. Isaac Neff, Sr., born February 23, 1841; died Abt. 1870 in Webbers Falls, Muskogee Co. Oklahoma; married Mary Ann "Sissy" Wilkerson in Near Webber's Falls, Oklahoma; born September 1846 in Tennessee.

Notes for Isaac Neff, Sr.:
Isaac, age 20, with his two brothers, Christian and Joseph, signed on with the Confederate Texas Troops, 22nd Regiment, Texas Cavalry (lst Indian-Texas Regiment) Fannin County, Texas. They were all assigned to the same company, Company "K". Christian, the oldest at 28, was given the rank of sergeant, Isaac was made Corporal and Joseph was a private.

The regiment was assigned to W.R. Bradfute's Flurnoy's, W.H. King's and J.E. Harrison's Brigade in the Trans-Mississippi Department. By May 1862, its force was down to 20 officers and 315 men, and it lost 1 killed, 9 wounded, and 1 missing at Newtonia. Later, it was dismounted, saw action in Arkansas and Louisiana, and in March 1865, contained 14 officers and 167 men. It was included in the surrender on June 2. The field officers were Colonel James G. Stevens, and Robert H. Taylor; and Lieutenant Colonels John A. Buck, William H. Johnson, Thomas Lewelling, George W. Merrick, and Robert D. Stone.

Christian and Joseph both died in 1865. Isaac survived the war . Isaac settled in the area around Webber's Falls, Oklahoma.

viii. William Neff, born September 07, 1843 in Washington Twn/Cass Co. Indiana; died February 06, 1846 in Washington Twn/Cass Co. Indiana.
ix. Mary Elizabeth Neff, born May 08, 1848 in Washington Twp/C, Cass County, Indiana; died January 07, 1920 in Mt. Zion Cemetery, Enterprise, Oklahoma; married James Isom Franklin January 02, 1867 in Grayson Co. TX; born March 19, 1848.

More About James Isom Franklin:
Burial: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Enterprise, Oklahoma

1 x. Allen Oliver Neff, born November 15, 1851 in Washington Twp/C Cass Co. Indiana (Logansport); died January 28, 1933 in Carter Co. Oklahoma; married (1) Mary Elizabeth Stewart 1877 in Lexington Twp/Cl. Indiana; married (2) Susan Henderson Bet. 1878 - 1880 in Indian Terr. of OK..


Generation No. 3

6. Christian Simon, born Abt. 1786 in Virginia. He was the son of 12. Christian Simon and 13. Barbara Rohrbough. He married 7. Elizabeth Podly.
7. Elizabeth Podly, born 1790 in Hardy VA (Now WV).

Children of Christian Simon and Elizabeth Podly are:
i. Delila Simon, born 1814 in Hardy County, West Virginia; married William Fix August 28, 1834 in Clinton Township, Cass County Indiana.
ii. Leonard S Simon, born January 09, 1816 in Lewis VA, Now West VA; married (1) Harriet McQuaid (Unknown); married (2) Sarah Wright December 13, 1838 in Cass County, Indiana; born 1820 in Cass County, Indiana.
iii. Isaac Simon, born 1820 in Lewis VA, Now West VA; married Marie J. Smith; born 1824 in Cass County, Indiana.
iv. Benjamin Simon, born Abt. 1821 in Virginia, Now West VA; married Mary Chambers September 16, 1841 in Cass County, Indiana; born 1825 in Cass County, Indiana.
v. John Simon, born Abt. 1823.
3 vi. Mary Magdalene Simon, born January 28, 1810 in Hardy County, West Virginia; died Aft. August 1860 in Grayson County, TX?; married John "Jack" Neff Abt. February 25, 1830 in Cass Co. Washington Twnship Indiana.
vii. Christian 3rd Simon, born Abt. 1827.
viii. Abraham Simon, born Abt. 1828; married Maomi Tucker November 14, 1850 in Cass County, Indiana.
ix. Peter Simon, born Abt. 1809; married Cassindry Turner February 20, 1836 in Cass County, Indiana.
x. George Simon, born Abt. 1829; married Eliza J. Galloway; born 1833 in Cass County, Indiana.






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