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Posted by: karen (ID *****5221) Date: February 24, 2005 at 10:23:56
In Reply to: Re: HENRY COLE, Sr. IN WAKE COUNTY, NC by JMFuller of 1372

About Wales, this info came from my mother and grandmother. When I asked them where our Coles came from, they both said, in unison without missing a beat, "WALES". There was no hesitation in their reply, so I etched it in stone.

Martin Cole's daughter, Mary Ann Cole Denney b. 1833 NC, lived with her son (George Fyan Denney "Dock") and his family until her death in 1910. My maternal grandmother, Vivian Denney Roe - 1900-1996, was d/o Dock and was 9 1/2 yr. old when her grandmother died. After Vivian became a widow in 1945, she spent about 1/2 of her life living with her daughter, Arline Roe Cull (my mother). During that time, much talking was done about family history.

Although I didn't ask my grandmother, Vivian, specifically, who told her about Wales, it seemed obvious to me that it would have been her grandmother, Mary Ann, or her father, Dock.

Not much was told to me about my Cole relatives who lived in MO, but I do know that Dock Denney was a man of integrity and was very book-smart. His father was a self-taught school teach, his uncle was a self-taught judge of Webster Co, MO for 10 yrs, and Dock had no tolerance for dishonesty from either his children or grandchildren. With all of those little details in my head, I didn't question anything that came out of Papa's (Dock's) mouth. If Papa said Wales, then Wales it was in my mind. I know he couldn't walk on water, but he was reliable source for information. When it was passed down to me that Martin was born in the Raleigh area of NC, I saw no reason to question that, either.

Name Patterns: This is a big part of what drew my attention to Henry Cole Sr's line of Coles....this and the fact that he and his lived in the Raleigh area of NC. Martin was born in an era where the passing on of family, given names was still the way. You didn't often see children with "creative" names. Martin, George, and Mary Ann---3 out of 5 of Henry's children's names. Coincidence? Maybe! But the name patterns used back then makes me lean towards "Maybe Not"!

Martin and Susannah's lst born was named GEORGE W. COLE. Susannah's father was SAMPSON GLENN. I don't think that the name George came from anyone in Susannah's it was a COLE name or a given name from Martin's mother's side. Not knowing who Martin's parents were, I can't say. I think the paternal grandfather was the name of the lst born son, usually...wasn't it?

The 3rd thing that was passed down to me about our Coles is a story I come across a lot on the Cole forum....Martin's family of Coles were cousins of Zerilda Cole, the outlaw Jesse W. James' mother. I have told this story on the Cole board before, and, again, my faith in Dock's integrity is the reason I have utter faith in the truth of this story:

Martin Cole moved his family to Wright Co, MO in the late 1850s. Mary Ann Cole, his daughter, moved with her husband, Charles Denney, to Spring Creek, Douglas Co, MO. where Dock was born. He was b. 29 Sep 1871. When he was a young boy, he "had" to go with his family to visit a family of relatives which Martin and Zerilda had in common. For whatever reasons, he was not happy about having to go. When I asked my grandmother why he was unhappy about going, she couldn't remember. I can only guess it was, at least in part, a boring, very hot, and very humid trip for a youngster. Perhaps there weren't any children to play with....whatever. The point is that Dock knew the people were relatives of his and of Zerilda Coles. I haven't tried seeking them out because, chances are, they may not even have been Coles by name. I just didn't know where to start such a search or what direction from Spring Creek the family lived.

I figured with JWJ being so well-known, his genealogy would have been well worked-out. Not so! The paper trails on his Cole relatives get skimpy the farther back you go,same as our's does.

You're fortunate to know your line of Coles as far back as you have them. This has been a brick wall for us. I know there were people in my family in the 20th century who knew who Martin's folks were, but the information fell through the cracks a few decades ago.


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