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Re: Elias Turner II and the widow, Mary (H)Umphries
Posted by: Pj Sisseck (ID *****1029) Date: March 19, 2004 at 17:18:54
In Reply to: Re: Elias Turner II and the widow, Mary (H)Umphries by Gail R. Blancett of 1322

Hello,and thanks for writing. I have learned quite a bit about my Turners. By any chance, was it Duane Southerland who contacted you about Fanny and William? Turns out he was wrong about the MS thing--the Sutherlands ended up the same place my Turners did--Henderson CO KY. Here's a nutshell of what is now known:
Elias Turner I was born in MD @1740. He had a wife named Mary. Besides his son Elias II, born @1770, he had a son Asa, born @1772. We have now concluded that the William Turner who married Fanny Sutherland was indeed a son of Elias I. There appears to have also been at least one daughter...I don't have my notes in front of me, so do not remember her name.
Elias Turner I was in Orange CO NC by 1788, when his name appears on some document, I am thinking as a witness to someone's will. He appears in the 1790 and 1800 Orange CO censuses. Mordecia Sutherland was a near neighbor.
Meanwhile...in 1788, a lady named Mary Keeton married Benjamin Humphries. She was from Mecklenburg CO VA, and her father, Joseph Keeton, signed for her marriage. Along about 1796, Benjamin Humphries died, leaving Mary with two young children. Benjamin's estate, including land in Wake CO NC, was handled by Elias Turner II. Among buyers at the estate sale was Elias Turner I, and William Turner. On 12 June 1797, Elias II married the widow Mary Umphris (that's what the record says).
Elias II and Mary appear on the 1800 Orange CO census. He was guardian of her two young children, William and Armind Humphries. Several documents pertaining to this have been found. They had at least five children of their own: Mildred @1800, who was listed as "idiot" on the 1850 census in Chariton CO MO, was likely born in Orange CO. Asa was born 19 May 1804 in Orange CO, and died 1888 in Chariton CO MO (he was my 2nd greatgrandfather). Elizabeth "Betsy" Turner was born 30 September 1806 in Orange CO, and died 26 September 1869 in Chariton CO MO (she was my 3rd greatgrandmother). Mary was born Summer of 1808 in Henderson CO KY, and died 1866 or so in White CO IL (she married John Mitchell Stokes 1825 in White CO IL). Elias G Turner (I call him III) was born February 1813 in Henderson CO KY, and died @1889 in Chariton CO MO (much of my info comes from his descendant, Stephen Turner).
The family, along with dozens of neighbors, moved to Henderson CO KY around 1807-1808. Elias I and wife appear on the 1810 census, as do Elias II and family. In info from Stephen Turner, I know that the Sutherlands were there by 1818. The last record found so far of Elias I is in July 1811, in a court case involving wild hogs.
In 1813, Elias II and Mary his wife, William Humphries, and Phillip Underwood and "Army" (Humphries) his wife, made out a power-of-attorney for Asa Turner, brother of Elias II, to return to Wake CO NC to sell the property that had been Benjamin Humphries'. Shortly after Asa Turner returned with the proceeds, the whole clan moved to White CO IL.
I have quite a bit of documentation from 1834 onwards on this family. That was the year Elias II died. In 1835, much of the family, which by now included Betsy Turner's husband, Thomas Elliott, and their children, moved onto Chariton CO MO. I know where most of them are buried, who they married, what they did for a living, etc.
In 1888, a grandson of Betsy Turner, Asa Wilson Elliott, married Viola Ruth Turner, youngest child of Asa, born when he was 66! Asa and Viola Elliott were my greatgrandparents.
As for the family-of-origin of Elias Turner I, I do not know. One person told me he was a child of Samuel Turner and Sarah Bevens of MD, but never sent the promised proof. Dunno. I do think he was related to the Martha Turner who was one of the donors/patrons of Wake Forest U. And there was a Josiah Turner who was Sheriff of Orange CO early 1800s whom I suspect was related. I also think Elias I had a brother William. I have found other likely suspects, but have yet to prove anything.
There were some other Turners along the Yadkin River in Surrey CO who may have had a connection, too, but they are able to trace their line back to England. It is possible they are another branch, just came over at another time, and directly to NC, instead of a generation or more in MD.
I would be quite interested in your Henry Turner. Do you know anything of his religion? See, my people were "Primitive Baptists", and there appears to be close to 600 of them travelling in more-or-less the same circle. The same names come up time and again as far as neighbors, witnesses to wills, spouses, etc. Let me hear from you direct, okay? <pj_sisseck@yahoo.com>


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