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Posted by: charles lucas (ID *****9383) Date: April 19, 2004 at 09:48:56
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Well, I must say this DNA project has been most interesting.

Obviously my John Lucas born ca 1755 of Wayne County, NC appeared out of no where. A Lucas great aunt once told me no one knew where he came from. Out of all the families I have looked at, most leave trails from VA, etc. with wills, etc., or there is a family tradition of history of where the family came from.

Nothing about our John Lucas.

There have been a few articles about the Sampson County/Harnett/Cumberland County Lucases having come from John Lucas of Wayne. I found that theory to be lacking-no paper trail. This set of Lucases came from a Lewis Lucas born ca 1755.

While at first I dismissed the idea of a link between John Lucas and Lewis Lucas, I started to rethink the idea.

They were both born about the same time-they lived not to far apart.

Joseph Lucas brother of John Lucas had a land grant near present day Kirby's crossing of Wilson County, NC so the John/Joseph Lucas family actually settled on the edge of Johnston/Wayne. This is in contrast to the families who settled in Nash and eastern Wayne/Dobbs County.

So I decided a DNA study might be worthwhile to see if there is a link between the John/Joseph Lucas family and the Lewis Lucas family.

I found a? cousin from Fayetteville who agreed to do the study with me.

When the results came in from Family Tree DNA- I was astounded.

First the results of the cousin from Fayetteville match completely with a set of Lucases on file with Family Tree DNA. One is in FL and one is in WA, but they both descend from the Charles Daniel Lucas family who was in Robeson County, NC in the 1790 census of NC. Charles Daniel Lucas moved to Marlboro County, SC (near Society Hill), and his descendants on to Lexington County, SC near Columbia-some of his descendants specifically living in the area of Pelion, SC.

This means that Charles Daniel Lucas of NC and SC and Lewis Lucas of Sampson County came from the same family.

The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr. was an avid genealogist. He published the genealogy of his Lucas family in a book entitled "Genealogy of the Dodson
(Dotson), Lucas, Pyles, Rochester, and Allied Familes." His book offers some insight into the ancestry of Charles Daniel Lucas but it is not for certain where Charles Daniel Lucas came from. He also descended from the Charles Daniel Lucas family.

His book has a will from a William Lucas 1778-1751 who says in his will that
"I William Lucas was born on Peedee River in what is now Chesterfield County near the spot where my father John Lucas was born 12 May 1778. My grandfather by my father's side was born in the Province of Delaware. He came to SC when young and married Alice Perkins who was born on what was called the Welsh Tract of Pennsylvania, now Delaware."

The Welsh tract of Pennslyvania was located north of Philadelphia and extended down into present day New Castle, Delaware. It was a large area populated by immigrants from Wales who upon arriving in the US were largely Baptist by faith and set up many of the first Baptist churches. Some were also Quaker.

Chesterfield County, SC is just below the NC border and is north of Florence, SC where there are many Lucases living today. This is in the general area of Society Hill.

The interesting point here is when you look at the DNA pattern of the Lewis Lucas family and the Charles Daniel Lucas family and the worldwide distribution-several things are evident:

1) It is a most unusual DNA-not like many other DNA patterns.

2) It is found in only a few parts of the world (using the Y STR demographic pattern).

3) The origin of the DNA is in northern Germany-on the Baltic Sea; north of Hamburg, Germany. The DNA then spreads to the Netherlands, and to western Europe and down along the Danube River and down into Spain, Italy, and there is a small pocket in England in the area of Kent/Suffolk.

In the USA it is found primarily in the northern Chesapeake Bay area just north of Philadelphia where the Welsh tract was. There is a small pocket in Massachusetts. There is one site in NYC. There is an additional site in western Virginia and eastern Kentucky. The number of sites this DNA is found is very few.

So what about my DNA or the John Lucas family.

The John Lucas family has 10/12 markers the same as Lewis Lucas and Charles Daniel Lucas from Family Tree DNA. Oxford University shows that the John Lucas DNA has 10/10 markers with the Lewis Lucas and Charles Daniel Lucas DNA. As a result Family Tree DNA is retesting the John Lucas DNA.

In any case, the DNA of all the above Lucases is so unique and is so close in comparison there is no doubt at all the above families are related.

Silas Emmett Lucas' genealogy and the uniqueness of the DNA pattern would show that the above Lucases were related and probably did come to NC and on to SC and GA from the Pennsylvania area.

There were other Lucas families as well in the US-a William Lucas of Surry County, VA but we have no DNA from that family.

There has been a Lucas Book written by AnnaBelle Kemp that outlines the origin of some Lucas family membership the USA.

The Kemp book deals with the genealogy of the Lucas family of:
Dallas, Texas; Prince George's County, MD; Frederick County, MD; Greene County, PA; Highland County, OH; Fayette County, PA.

Kemp relates that the first Lucas family of England was settled in Suffolk, England in the area of Cambridge and Bury St. Edmunds. The DNA patterns would confirm this.

At present we need more male Lucas cousins to supply a DNA sample.
This consists of a cotton swab being rubbed on the inside cheek for 2 minutes. The cost is $99 and the analysis is done by Family Tree DNA.

I have assumed responsibility for co ordinating the Lucas DNA study with Family Tree DNA.

There are over 700 family surnames currently having projects underway.

A good example is the Bolling family study

If you will go to the above site you can see how participants are listed.
Everyone person submitting a sample is given a code number. No names are listed.

So what have learned so far?

That the Charles Daniel Lucas, and the Lewis Lucas, and the John/Joseph Lucas familles are all related and came from a common family ancestor.

There is a strong possibility there are other Lucas families of the US that are also related to the above family members.

Contact me for more information.

Charles Lucas MD

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