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Re: Lookup for 1850 Choctaw census: Williams
Posted by: Jay Stein (ID *****4633) Date: April 25, 2004 at 02:41:41
In Reply to: Re: Lookup for 1850 Choctaw census: Williams by Charles Smith of 521

I’ve checked with cousins in Kilmichael and they confirm that the “Old Lodi Road” and “Alvastage Road” are one in the same. <grin>

I too have many kinsmen buried at Upper-Milligan Springs Cemetery including my g-g-g-grandfather Paul Williams (son of Capt. Isaac Williams), Paul’s son James Lemuel Williams and James’ wife Sarah Curtis. [James L. Williams’ brother Robert Anthony Williams (my g-g-grandfather), married James’ wife Sarah’s sister, Eliza Frances “Fannie” Curtis. Both are daughters of Job H. Curtis, the latter of whom, along with his wife, are buried at “Friendship.” It does get to be a “tangled web” at times as also buried at Upper-Milligan Springs is the above mentioned James L. Williams’ daughter Birdie Williams who married James Edgar Curtis, a grandson of Elijah Curtis (1776-1864) who is a first cousin of Job H. Curtis mentioned above. It get’s a lot more tangled than this though, a whole lot more <grin> but we’ll stop here for now!]

You’re definitely right about Greensboro being in present day Webster County! I “used” to know that! (Graying hair <grin>!)

<<...the cemeteries where my grandparents>> Yes, from your description of the location, that is what I call the “Old Lindsey Cemetery.” It used to be on land owned by the late Marion Williams, and more recently by a Dr. Hinson; although I don’t know if the doctor still owns the property, or not. Come to think of it, I have to wonder if you and Marion Williams are kin, as I’ve long believed that William R. Williams and Marion’s ancestor, Nathaniel Williams (b. ca 1825-26) were somehow kin. Family traditions had that we were, but he and I never quite figured out the exact connection. My cousin Rufus Malone and he were good friends, and all of us enjoyed talking “family history,” and like Rufus (and I too!), Marion seem to relish local history. Marion’s ancestor Nathaniel has long intrigue me for another reason as well, because a “Lieutenant NATHANIEL Williams” served as Isaac Williams’ second in Command according to a listing of a roster of his company. I need to “dig out” the file with the roster in it and take another look at it as recall that there were a number of Williams listed in the roster. My copy of the roster is very poor and hard to read, but I specifically remember, in addition to Isaac and Nathaniel, several privates named Williams including SAMUEL Williams, EZEKIEL Williams, and WILLIAM Williams (William R. Williams, who apparently got promoted to Sargent at some later point!); and it seems like there could have been some others as well an Elijah Williams and David Williams. I do know that we found almost all these names “popping-up” where ever Isaac and his “clan” moved, such as Greene, Hale, Perry, and Pickens Counties in Alabama, and in the Choctaw-Carroll counties region of Mississippi. Of course it could just be coincidence, especially with a name as popular as “Williams.”

<<VICKSBURG>> Gordon, I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that William R. Williams himself had moved to Vicksburg. I believe that it is the “writer” of the letter to the Pension Commission who is from Vicksburg, or perhaps is merely writing the letter from Vicksburg. I’ve interpreted the letter to have been written either by an attorney or someone who was NOT an “immediate” close family member.

Also, before I forget, on the subject of William R. Williams, I locate him in Pickens County, Alabama in 1830. There is a William R. Williams listed there in the U.S. Census for 1830. Pickens is one of the counties in which Isaac Williams’ pension record shows him in having lived.

No, mother was a Curtis, but her mother, my grandmother, was a Johnson, daughter of William Wiley Johnson, Sr. and his wife, Leona Alcora Williams. I’ve got seemingly countless kinsmen buried, respectively at not only Kilmichael’s “Friendship” and at Upper-Milligan Springs, but also in other Montgomery-Choctaw-Webster-Carroll-Winston counties area church and/or community cemeteries including Bethel Methodist, Lebanon Presbyterian, and Ebenezer Baptist; and also in small family cemeteries like Pleasant Grove and Staples, to name but a few. My kinsmen first began coming into the area in the 1830's shortly after it was first opened up following the signing of the treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek. These kinsmen along with my direct ancestors continued to come into the region “at a trickle” up until the 1850's. Some, like the Williams family and the family of Elijah Curtis, came from North Carolina with “stop-offs” in Tennessee and Alabama [Although the “stop-offs” for the Curtis family were not the same counties in those states in which the Williams family stopped at. Elijah Curtis himself went from Anson Co., NC to Stewart Co., TN around 1808, and then about 1815-18; Elijah moved his family to Washington/Marengo Cos., AL, following other kinsmen who had already made the move south. He remained in Marengo Co. for few years before moving a few miles west to Sumpter Co., AL. Then in 1854, Elijah and his wife Sarah, moved with some of their children, their families, respectively, to the area near Huntsville, Miss. However, two of his sons, and their families, had already made the move to the general area, settling in Winston Co., Miss in the 1840's.] Some of my other lines though like that of the family of Job Curtis made the “leap” in the 1840's straight from Anson County, North Carolina to what is today Montgomery County, but a bit to the west of where his cousin Elijah later settled. On the other hand, the family of my James Cunningham, made the “jump” directly from to Georgia to Choctaw County without any “permanent “stop-overs” along the way.

I perhaps should add here that my grandparents were themselves 4th cousins, through the Curtis family. My grandmother is descended, as mentioned from Job H. Curtis, whereas my grandfather descends from the Curtis family of Elijah and Sarah (Curtis) Curtis, who settled near the hamlet of Huntsville, Miss., and is closely tied with Bethel Methodist Church and Cemetery in Montgomery Co., and Bluff Chapel and Cemetery a few miles away in Choctaw County. My father used to me kid me and say that my mother’s lineage, when “mapped” out look like a “bowl of spaghetti” <grin>! Five of my mother’s lineages eventually trace back to Nathaniel Curtis of Maryland who died in 1758! There are two sets of “first cousins” who marry and I can trace my lineage back to three of five Curtis siblings who, arriving from Maryland, settled in Anson County, North Carolina around 1770. The “tangle” doesn’t end there though, as the lines of some of the spouses of the Curtis are connected as well to each other as well! <grin>

Somehow my answer to your query, “any further reflections... even wild speculations” on the Williams family, got chopped off of my last message. I believe it is probable that Capt. Isaac Williams hailed from the general area of Anson County, North Carolina, including the present day North Carolina counties of Anson, Mechlenburg, Richmond, and Johnston, and the adjacent South Carolina region that made of the then Cheraws District. I’ve got a number of piece of evidence that point this direction. Prior to that I would speculate that his lineage hails from Anthony Williams who left a will in Edenton County, NC in 1718 who was in turn the son of a Lewis Williams who died in 1716. Both father and son were earlier from Virginia. I just haven’t gathered enough evidence to prove his direct line back. Names such as Isaac, Anthony, William, Robert, etc., are very common in the family which makes it difficult distinguishing one individual from others of the same name.

Finally, to answer your question would I consider corresponding by email. There are advantages and disadvantages both ways. GenForum has the disadvantage, at least for me, of not always being able to write a post offline and then upload it to GenForum, and yet always retain the formatting I desire. I also, I don’t believe it is possible to include attachments, such as scanned image. However, there are times when “traditional” mail even has an advantage over email. On the pro side, GenForum has the advantage of keeping the messages organized, and easy to refer back to previous messages, especially if one is like me and not always up date with filing. And perhaps the biggest advantage over email is that a message may be read by a number of people, and just possibly one of those reading the message will have the answer we both seek. My ONLY is that I feel any “question” posed on GenForum should be answered on it, so that others reading the thread and interested, see the answer as well, but if you would refer to correspond by email, I have no problem with that. In fact, I often find myself doing both! <grin>
--- Jay.

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