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Hi Barb, Thanks for the information. I had the 1880 census info on John and Gottleibe, but didn't have anything on Fred and Elsbith!!! This is great info!! thanks. Maybe I will be able to find some ancestors of Fred and find more info on the family. Very Interesting about Louisa working as a servant in the gieske family!! - I didn't have that either! thank you so much for your help!!
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