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THIS DATA WAS RESEARCHED BY A FAMILY MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN DOING THIS GENEALOGY PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS. HE WENT TO THE DIFFERENT STATES AND COUNTY OFFICES DURING HIS BREAKS FROM TEACHING, TO GATHER THIS AND MUCH MORE DATA. As stated, more data is avail, but I figure if this amount can’t draw out some skeletons, then more would just compound matters. Please note #3 of this report. Joseph Nelson Messer. He could be the link to England and beyond. I say this because I am stuck at this point and would like to carry on.
While I was in my local State Genealogy Library the other day, I started thumbing through the books on the shelf listed as, “SURNAMES” and their origin. Below is what I found in several different volumes for the name “MESSER”. I make no apologies for spelling in any part of this text as a whole. All text is as it was copied from the original documents:
SURNAMES OF THE UNITED KINGDOM
1. MESSER- (A, - Fr, -Lat) Master, Sir, Squire [Old Fr., Messer for Messire-mes, Lat. Meus, my + sire, Lat: Senior] Messer, Vieux mt pour messier; La fontaine l’a frequenment applique’ a’ des animeaux, et, meme a’ l’ estomac, qu’ il a appele’. Messser Gaster- stappers, diet d’ etym. Franc- p606
2. Field keeper Harvestman [Fr. Messier L.Lat. messarius F. Lat. Messis harvest crop, time of harvest, harvest tide. Lat. messor, a reapor, mower.] John Le Messer Hund. Rolls
3. A (Scotland) var. of macer=mace=Bearer [Old Fr. messier- massier] Ane Messerorthuir of names officer of names Reg. Pr. Ccl. Scotland A.D. 1550
4. Purveyor (esp. of meat) messe, Old Fr. Mes (mod mets) a dish of meat, in the 18th Century. Messer and Salters are mentioned together.
MESSER (Eng.) in charge of fields-overseer.
MESSER- (also messerer, messerle, messerman, messerschmidt)
Origin- messer-German, Jewish, Scottish; messerer, messerele, messerschmidt-German. Messerman-Jewish. Messer (German, Jewish, derived from the german word “messer” meaning knife, or its Yeddish cognate “meser”. The name was given to cutlers, messer. (German) derived from the Middle High German word “mezzen”, meaning to measure. The name was given to officials in charge of measuring. The dues paid in kind by tenants. (H&H) Messer. (Scottish) derived from Old French “messier, master of harvest. Guard of crops. Messerer, messerele, messerschmidt transformations of the German name messer, derived from “messer” meaning knife, messerman, transformation of Messer. Famous bearers. ASA MESSER (1769-1836) of Mass. Was the President of Rhode Island College, which because of the patronage of Nicholas Brown, the name was changed to Brown University.
MESSER
The Official in charge of Land Allotment. All five names in the group refer to the officials who measured off the land allotted to each peasant and in general supervised its use, at least trying to keep destructive animals off it.
The Old English word hezweard meant “ an enclosure protector” and Harvester of Hay. Messer comes from the Old French word MESSIER, but means the same thing.
OFFICIALS IN CHARGE OF LAND ALLOTMENTS
Hayward, Haywood, Hayward, Heyward, Messer- by C. L’Estrange Ewen. Hayward- Latin equivalent “MESSER”. Frequent in the middle ages, but now rare.
1172-80 Roger Messer
MESSER 1687-Arms Blazon
Quarterly: 1st and 4th Or, three bars Az
2nd and 3rd Gules a Castle Or within a bordure gobbony of twelve, Ar and Gu.
Crest: Helm crowned ppr.
Motto: Fiea A TA Foy
Messinger-Blazon of Arms
Ar a chevron between three closed Helms Sa
Motto: Agros Vigilantia Fervat
GUIDE TO THE ORIGIN OF BRITISH SURNAMES
AGENTILE SUFFIXES. The principal suffixes found in the surnames indicating occupation are: English: -er, -ier; fem. –ess; mf. –ster; with variants. Cornish: -ar, -er, and –or. Welsh: -or, -ur and -er often occurs under English influence. French: -and, -ier, fem. –esse. A selection of modern surnames: -and, -ant. Marchand, servant. -ar, -ard erroneous spelling for -er. –er. Biller- bowdler (builder a worker in Iron Ore)
MESSER (Mower)
Ref: Gale Research Co., Book Tower, Detroit 1969
MESSER SOUNDEX CODE- 260
I am the 5th Great Grandson of James Messer
Descendants of James Messer
Generation No. 1
1. JAMES1 MESSER1 was born Abt. 1735 in Edgefield Co., SC1, and died Unknown in Edgefield Co., SC1.
Notes for JAMES MESSER:
Early VA Immigrants, 1623-1666
Messer, James, 1653, by Charles Grymes, Lancaster Co
Early VA Immigrants, 1623-1666
Messer, James, 1653, by Charles Grymes, Lancaster Co.
Children of JAMES MESSER are:
2. i. JOHN2 MESSER, b. Abt. 1755, Edgefield Co., SC; d. Abt. 1814, Knox Co., KY..
3. ii. JOSEPH NELSON MESSER, b. Abt. 1757, Edgefield Co. SC (Radcliff England b.1747 d.1784); d. Abt. 1784, TN.
4. iii. WILLIAM MESSER, b. Abt. 1759; d. Unknown.
iv. BENJAMIN MESSER1, b. Abt. 17611; d. Unknown.
v. SAMUEL MESSER1, b. Abt. 17791; d. Unknown.
Generation No. 2
2. JOHN2 MESSER (JAMES1) 1 was born Abt. 1755 in Edgefield Co., SC1, and died Abt. 1814 in Knox Co., KY.1. He married AGNES1. She was born Abt. 1755 in VIrginia1, and died Unknown in Knox Co., Kentucky1.
Notes for JOHN MESSER:
John lived before 1790 in Virginia and was in Edgefield, SC. He also lived after 1794 in Wythe County Va.
1790 Census page 106, John Messer 5 males 1 female
So. Carolina census 1790 page 65, John Messer, 1 male over 16, 4 males under 16, 1 female
N. Carolina census 1790, page 147, John Messer, 4 males under 16, 1 female-family gp matches.
Notes for AGNES:
Agnes lived in Virginia and in South Carolina then moved to Knox Co., KY
Children of JOHN MESSER and AGNES are:
i. WILLIAM3 MESSER1, b. Abt. 17821; d. Unknown.
Notes for WILLIAM MESSER:
William testified at the trial of and for Elizabeth Gregory Messer in a court case against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws on 10 Jan 1833. He moved to Lawrence Co., Ky. Then to Carter Co., KY.[Messer9.2.1.GED]
William testified at the trial of and for Elizabeth Gregory Messer in a court case against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws on 10 Jan 1833. He moved to Lawrence Co., Ky. Then to Carter Co., KY.
ii. JOHN MESSER, JR.1, b. 17861; d. Bef. 18281; m. ELIZABETH GREGORY1; b. Bet. 1794 - 1804, Buncumbe Co., NC1; d. Unknown.
Notes for ELIZABETH GREGORY:
Elizabeth Owned received by land grant 50 acres on Sept. 13, 1828 in Moore's Creek, Bell Co., Ky. she also owned another 50 acres on 13 Oct. 1830 in Moore's Crk., Bell Co., Ky
On 10 Jan 1833 Elizabeth was in court battling against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws of Knox Co. on charges of trespass and battery of Elizabeth. Sion, Polly and William testified on Elizabeth's behalf. (per court records 1833 and 1834.
Elizabeth Owned received by land grant 50 acres on Sept. 13, 1828 in Moore's Creek, Bell Co., Ky. she also owned another 50 acres on 13 Oct. 1830 in Moore's Crk., Bell Co., KY.
On 10 Jan 1833 Elizabeth was in court battling against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws of Knox Co. on charges of trespass and battery of Elizabeth. Sion, Polly and William testified on Elizabeth's behalf. (per court records 1833 and 1834.
iii. STEPHEN MESSER1, b. 17881; d. Unknown; m. (1) SARAH SALLY GREGORY, Abt. 1812; b. Abt. 1788; d. Unknown; m. (2) SARAH SALLY GREGORY1, Abt. 18121; b. Abt. 17881; d. Unknown.
Notes for STEPHEN MESSER:
Stephen lived in Knox Co., KY in 1816 and was listed on a tax list for that period. He was involved in a court case, charges filed for trespass, assault & battery against Elizabeth Gregory Messer on 10 Jan 1833 in Knox Co., Ky. He moved to Logan Co., Va.
He made court appearance in a debt collection proceeding against John C. Miller in May 1839 in Harlan Co., KY.[Messer9.2.1.GED]
Stephen lived in Knox Co., KY in 1816 and was listed on a tax list for that period. He was involved in a court case, charges filed for trespass, assault & battery against Elizabeth Gregory Messer on 10 Jan 1833 in Knox Co., Ky. He moved to Logan Co., Va.
He made court appearance in a debt collection proceeding against John C. Miller in May 1839 in Harlan Co., KY.
iv. JACOB MESSER1, b. 1790, Edgefield Co. SC1; d. Unknown; m. POLLY MARY MORGAN1; b. Abt. 17841; d. Unknown.
Notes for JACOB MESSER:
Jacob and Moses were twins. After leaving Edgefield, SC. about 1790 he moved to Lawrence Co., Ky.
Served in the1812 war. Co. I 39th Inf
5. v. MOSES MESSER, SR., b. 1790, Edgefield Co. SC; d. Unknown.
vi. SARAH MESSER1, b. 17931; d. Unknown.
6. vii. SION MESSER, b. 1794, Edgefield Co. SC; d. 02 Nov 1857, Knox Co., Kentucky.
viii. PRUDENCE MESSER1, b. 17971; d. Unknown; m. JAMES CROSS1; d. Unknown.
Notes for PRUDENCE MESSER:
Prudence moved to Logan Co., Va. she was still living there when it became Logan West Virginia.[Messer9.2.1.GED]
Prudence moved to Logan Co., Va. she was still living there when it became Logan West Virginia.
7. ix. BENJAMIN MESSER, b. Abt. 1800, Wythe Co. Va.; d. Unknown.
x. SON MESSER1, b. Abt. 18021; d. Unknown.
8. xi. SAMUEL MESSER, b. 1804, Knox Co., Kentucky; d. 1837.
3. JOSEPH NELSON2 MESSER (JAMES1) 1 was born Abt. 1757 in Edgefield Co. SC (Radcliff England b.1747 d.1784) 1, and died Abt. 1784 in TN1.
Notes for JOSEPH NELSON MESSER:
This individual could be a Nelson. Story goes that he sold goods to the continental Army during the Rev. War. and that he was from England. 1747 Radcliff, England d. 1784 And there is the possibility that Benjamin Messer b. 1777, and James were brothers rather than Father and Son.
Child of JOSEPH NELSON MESSER is:
i. TILDEN3 MESSER1, b. Abt. 17771; d. Unknown.
4. WILLIAM2 MESSER (JAMES1) 1 was born Abt. 17591, and died Unknown.
Notes for WILLIAM MESSER:
He testified for Elizabeth (Gregory) Messer in a court case against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws on Jan 10 1833. He moved to Lawrence Co., KY. He then moved to Carter Co., KY.[Messer9.2.1.GED]
He testified for Elizabeth (Gregory) Messer in a court case against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws on Jan 10 1833. He moved to Lawrence Co., KY. He then moved to Carter Co., KY.
Child of WILLIAM MESSER is:
i. NELSON3 MESSER1, b. Abt. 18021; d. Unknown.
Generation No. 3
5. MOSES3 MESSER, SR. (JOHN2, JAMES1) 1 was born 1790 in Edgefield Co. SC1, and died Unknown. He married WINNIE GOLDEN1 12 Apr 1812 in Knox Co., KY.1, daughter of RICHARD GOLDEN and MARY LOWE. She was born 1795 in Green Co., TN1, and died Aft. 18701.
Notes for MOSES MESSER, SR.:
Moses moved from SC. to Lincoln Co., Ky. then to Knox Co., Ky. Moved back to Lincoln then Back to Knox Co.
Moses moved from SC. to Lincoln Co., Ky. then to Knox Co., Ky. Moved back to Lincoln then Back to Knox Co.
Children of MOSES MESSER and WINNIE GOLDEN are:
9. i. EDWARD4 MESSER, b. 1816, Knox Co., KY.; d. Unknown.
10. ii. MARY POLLY MESSER, b. 1818; d. 1878.
11. iii. MOSES MESSER, JR., b. 1822, NC.; d. 1863.
12. iv. EMILY MESSER, b. 1825; d. Unknown.
v. SARAH MESSER, d. Unknown; m. BENJAMIN JOHNS1, 28 Jul 1811, Knox Co., KY.; b. Abt. 17931; d. Unknown.
13. vi. ABRAHAM MESSER, b. 1832; d. Unknown.
14. vii. LEANOR MESSER, b. 1834; d. 1878.
viii. ELIZABETH MESSER1, b. 18371; d. Unknown.
15. ix. ANDREW A. Y. MESSER, b. 1839; d. Unknown.
x. SARAH MESSER1, d. Unknown; m. BENJAMIN JOHNS1, 28 Jul 1811, Knox Co., KY.1; b. Abt. 17931; d. Unknown.
6. SION3 MESSER (JOHN2, JAMES1) 1 was born 1794 in Edgefield Co. SC1, and died 02 Nov 1857 in Knox Co., Kentucky1. He married (1) POLLY GREGORY1 15 Apr 1815 in Knox Co., KY.1, daughter of THOMAS GREGORY and JERIAH. She was born Bet. 1794 - 18001, and died Aft. 18371.
Notes for SION MESSER:
Census of Knox Co., KY 1850 microfilm page 330
Sion 55 Farmer SC
Sion lived in Knox Co., KY. in 1816 and was listed on the tax list. He testified for Elizabeth Gregory Messer in a court case against Stephen Messer and Francis Laws on 10 Jan 1833.
Sion enlisted in the War of 1812 on 9/1/1812 and listed as having deserted 9/22/1812, but in those days when battles were over or crops needed planting or harvesting, the men would just go home, and plenty did just that.
There is a statement in Sion's war record that states his brother gave a statement that he Tilford Messer drove a government wagon train in 1864 in Knoxville, Ten. This is in the general Affidavit
"Tilford Messer, age 45 years states that he is the brother of the applicant and has been acquainted with him all his life.
Has known the applicant since his discharge from the service intimately he having worked together driving government teams at or near Knoxville, Tennessee which was in the year 1864.
Knox County Kinfolk Vol. 21 No 3 7-1997
Knox County Circuit Court Box 64-1835
SION MESSER & WIFE VS ROBERT GREGORY, EXR. OF THOMAS GREGORY, 1835
1a. Sion Messer and wife vs T. Gregory's exr's & others- To June
term 1835- Executed on John Gregory & Betsey Messer 25th May 1835.
Executed on Nimrod Brackett and Rutha his wife, Mallekiah Gregory and
Francis Wright and John Patton, Jeriah Gregory, Peggy Gregory- and
others within named Defendants not found in my Bailiwick. 20 June 1835
Joseph Prichard, S.K.C.
1. The Commonwealth of Kentucky. to the Sheriff of Knox County-
Greeting: We command you to summon John Gregory and Robert Gregory,
Executors of the last will and testament of Thomas Gregory, decd.
Stephen Messer and Sally his wife, late Sally Gregory, Elizabeth
Messer, Nimrod Brackett and Ruthy his wife, Malakiah Gregory, Frances
Wright, John T. Carnes and Matilda his wife, late Matilda Gregory,
Peggy Gregory, Austin Webb, Joanah his wife, late Joanah Gregory,
Jeriah Gregory, and John Patton, to appear before the Judge of the
Knox Circuit Court at the courthouse there of in the town of
Barbourville, on the 1st day of our next June Term to answer to a
Bill in Chancery, then and there to be exhibited against them by Sion
Messer and Polly his wife, and have then there this writ. Witness
James F. Ballinger, Clerk of our said court at office this 12th day
of May 1835, and in the 43rd year of our said Commonwealth.
James F. Ballinger, Clerk
2. To the honorable the Judge of the Knox County Court in Chancery
Setting, your oratories Sion Messer and Polly his wife, late Polly
Gregory humbly complaining herewith unto your honor that they are the
heirs at law of Thomas Gregory, decd that said deceased was
possessed of considerable estate and by an instrument of writing
purporting to be his last will and testament bearing date January 20,
1828 all his property both real and personal is devised to the rest
of the heirs and the widow and no proportions are made for
complainants and John Gregory and Robert Gregory named in said will as
executors, all of which will more fully appear by a copy of the will
here referred to marked "A" and made ___
in this cause now complainants say that the will referred to is not
the bonified will of the deceased but was fraudulently ____ for the
purpose of cutting them complainants out of their legal rights and in
fact if the testator made a will at all it was not written as
dictated by him but made to suit the ___ of those for whom it was
made. Complainants say that is was always the intention of their
father to give them their equal proportion of the estate as confirmed
by many promises. They charge that ______ to the pretended will a
very unjust and unreasonable distribution of property is made and
such as does not compart with what ____ always said should be his
will (ie) that each child should have at his death just what the law
would give them. The ____ complainants is that John Gregory and
Rover Gregory the Exr., Stephen Messer and Sally, his wife, late
Sally Gregory, Elizabeth Messer, Nimrod Bracket and Ruthy his wife,
late Ruthey Gregor, Real Gregory, Malakiah Gregory, Francis Right
(Wright), John F. Carnes and Matilda his wife, late Matilda Gregory,
Peggy Gregory and Austin Webb and Joannah his wife, late Joannah
Gregory and John Patton and Jeriah Gregory be made defendants to
this bill and compel to answer the same, that your Commonwealth Writ
of Subpoena be granted upon final hearing the will be set aside and
held for naught and complainants decreed their legal proportions of
the estate of the deceased said such other and further relief as may
______ with the rules of chancery practice as in duty bound they will
ever pray.
Moore, Atty for the Complainants.
This case was continued many times until June 1836
4. An amendment to the original bill of Sion Messer and Polly his
wife in the Knox County Circuit The complainants state that since
filing their original bill in this cause they have ascertained to a
certainly as they believe, that the said Thomas Gregory died in Roan
County Tennessee, and not in Monroe County when the pretended will
seems to have been proven, and that decedent was dead before the
writing of the pretended will was finished. They further charge that
the said will never has been proven and recorded in the County court
of Knox, where it should have been proven and recorded. They further
charge that for several days previous to the death of decedent, he
was Holy incapable to dispose of his property by will owning to the
situation of his mind, they further charge that the said Executers
wanted the estate and thought the estate in debt and sold real estate
when it was necessary, that they created charges against the estate
for services which were exorbitant and ____ which aught not to have
been allowed, even if they had been Exrs lawfully appointed. That
they believe that their portion of the land unlawfully sold and
disposed of by the Exrs is worth at least $400. They have further
discovered that a certain John Pattent (Patton) is the owner of said
land by some kind of purchase from the Exrs. and some of the heirs---
They therefore pray that the said Pattent may be made Defendant and
be compelled to answer this and his original bill and show much of
said land he claims and how he denies bills to the same, and that
upon a final hearing the said will and all proceedings and sales
under the same may be set aside and held for naught, and that
complainant be decreed their just proportions of the said estate and
pray for general relief.
Moore and Kincaid for Complainants.
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