Re: DNA in the Mestee Communities MISSED BELOW
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DNA in the Mestee Communities
Alvie Walts 6/18/07
DONT KNOW ABOUT LARRY, BUT IN CASE THIS WAS MISSED BELOW ILL PUT IT UP HERE. I DID NOT GO THRU THE WHOLE PROJECT JUSTA SOME OF IT. THIS IS ONLY IRELAND . HOW A FEW DIFFERANT WITH SOME OF SAME SURNAMES SHOWN, JUST LIKE YOU SAID BOLYEN BOLIN ECT. WE DIDNT GOTO ENGLAND SCOTLAND FRANCE. AND HAVENT EVEN SHOWED YET, THE TYPES FROM MANAKINTOWN, THAT CAME OUT OF THE FRENCH HUGUENOTS.
49227MullinsE3b13241310162011111213113017991111241420
56184JohnstonE3b1132414111618111212131130159911122614
N31322CampbellE3b142413101618111212131128
4257BooneI13231410161611131113
74739Cunningham[J2]122314101417111711121128
74739Cunningham[J2]122314101417111711
58556ClarkeF152214101213111212131130
46952BoylenR1b1132314111115121213131329
therefore there was portugusse turk type dna found in people with melungeon sur names. but guess what this is a dna project in ireland not america
the irish heritage dna project
E3, is by far the most frequent subbranch of E, it diverged into two main subbranches E3a (M2) and E3b (M35) approximately 24-27 000 years ago (see Cruciani et al. 2004). E3a seems to have come from the populated coastal region of West Africa, where they largely mixed with indigenous populations and gave birth to modern West Africans speaking languages of the Niger-Congo family. E3a is the most frequent Y-haplogroup in Sub-Saharan Africa today. It is also the most common Y-haplogroup among African American men.
E3b (M35)
In Europe, it is most commonly associated with the Mediterranean area. Haplogroup E3b is believed to be genetically connected to the peoples of East Africa, mixed with West Asian migrations entering Europe during the Neolithic revolution (supposedly during the spread of agriculture from Asia Minor). The subbranch E3b1 is present at high frequencies among the Greeks, Albanians, and South Italians (up to 25%), but its percentage gradually falls below 10% in the Carpathian basin and Iberia, and is negligible in other parts of Europe.
The 17th Century
In the period from 1607, which was soon after the defeat of Irish and Spanish forces at Kinsale in 1601. Following this defeat the Irish Chieftains took flight to Spain rather than submit, this was in 1607. Many Irish soon followed to fight in the many Spanish-Irish Tercio's (Divisions) in the Spanish Army of the Netherlands. By 1623 there was four large Regiments along with their famillies.
The Cromwellian period 1649-1660
Irish prisoners of war and their famillies, priests, nuns, war orphans and the dispossed were sent to the Barbadoes as slaves. It is estimated that upwards of 60,000 where sent to Barbadoes in that period (Prendergast et all "Cromwellian settlement in Ireland"). The Irish where further expelled from Barbadoes to Virginia after a series of failed rebellions. The Irish armies which surrendered to Cromwell under terms, from 1651-1655 where given the opportunity to fight in the Spanish armies. Upwards of 40,000 and their famillies took this route out of Ireland, many joining the exiled Charles II in France. Finally during the 18th Century, it is estimated that as many as 500,000 went to serve and fight in the armies of France, Spain, Austria. At one time there was fifteen Irish regiments in the French army - under the control of and serving the exiled Stuart Dynasty.
Ancient possibilities:
Irish mythology and origin tales talk of the arrival from Iberia of the ancient Milesians. So named after the sons of King Mil of Spain. These in turn where said to have come from Egypt and Asia Minor. The Milesians according to these sources came to Ireland from around 1,200 bc. Did they bring some of the haplotypes featured here?
Haplogroup G
This Haplogroup has an overall low frequency in most populations but is widely distributed in Eurasia and Oceania. It is most frequent in the Caucasus it is also found in Asia Minor, the Middle East, the Balkans, and Italy, with decreasing frequency in other parts of the world. Little is known about its origins. It is a branch of Haplogroup F (M89), believed to have originated along the eastern edge of the Middle East. May be even as far east as the Himalayan foothills in Pakistan or India.
Haplogroup F (M89)
This haplogroup and its subgroups hold more than 90% of the world's male population. Virtually everyone outside of Africa, Tibet, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Japan, Polynesia, and communities of indigenous Australians.
This ancient haplogroup may have first appeared in Africa. Many suggest it represents a "second-wave" of expansion out of Africa. But the location of this lineage's first expansion and rise to dominance appears to have been in India or somewhere close to it within South Asia or the Middle East. Haplogroup F's descendant haplogroups show a pattern of radiation from South Asia (haplogroups G, H, and K) or from the Middle East (haplogroup IJ).
Haplogroup F is the ancestral haplogroup to haplogroups G (M201), H (M52), I (M170), J (12f2.1), and K (M9).
Haplogroup K's subgroup K2 (M70)
This is present at low level's throughout Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.
Historical Note: Thomas Jefferson is the most famous member of the K2 haplogroup. Jefferson's Y-chromosome type received a lot of attention through the Sally Hemings affair. Haplogroup K2-M70 has been detected in over 7% of men (10 of 139 individuals) in a sample of modern Iraqis, which is much higher than its frequency in other populations.
Haplogroup J is subdivided into two haplogroups, haplogroup J2, defined by the M172 marker and haplogroup J1, defined by the M267 marker. Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen between 10,000 and 15,000 years ago in the Near East. It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup IJ is in turn derived from Haplogroup F.
IHDP J2 Members
All J IHDP members are found to have Haplogroup J2. There is no consistent pattern to its distribution in Ireland. A notable member of this Hg is the Phelan surname, on closer examination, amongst this surname it is quite surprising. You can check out this surname on www.ysearch.org, where it seems to be a common Hg amongst that surname.
Distribution: Haplogroup J2 is present especially in the Levant and Anatolia (Turkey). Found in the Sephardim Jews (28,6%), Muslim Kurds (28,4%), Central Turks (27,9%), Georgians (26,7%), Lebanese (25%) and Ashkenazim Jews (23,2%). It is also very frequent in the Balkans (Greeks 20,6%, Albanians 19,6%) and in southern Italy (16,7-29,1%). Its frequency rapidly drops in the Carpathian basin (Croatians 6,2%, Hungarians 2,0%, Ukrainians 7,3%). The significant presence of J2 (J2b2+J2a) in India (18,6% in Dravidian upper castes, 14% in Aryan upper castes, 2% in tribes; Sengupta et al. 2006) must be of a very early date, because Indian J2 is not accompanied by E3b1, that must have penetrated to the Near East from North Africa after the end of the Ice Age. E3b1 is tightly bound with the spread of both J-subbranches since the neolithic era.
Historical Note: The Cohen Modal Haplotype falls in haplogroup J1, with respect to Cohens. (But the same CMH marker can sometimes be found in other haplogroups too, like J2). The bulk of CMH is observed in J1 (53,0%) and J2 (43,2%) with a small portion falling outside haplogroup J (3,8%). Although you can have the CMH in either J1 or J2, it is the genetic signature in J1 that is considered the Jewish priestly signature.
So there you go .i bet the Portugusse and Turk camp was getting ecxcited .wow we dna of Turks and Portugusse right here in Melungeon sur names. Yes there is, but this is not Hancock Tenn NC. SC Virginia Kentucky , This testing is in Ireland got nothing to do about America, as seen already by the 1st families of Melungeons to be, Mulattos found back in the 1600s Virginia they had a one parent from England Ireland
Yet some of the new Melungeon dna projests show this[ j2 e3 k2 dna] ect ,whats the answer ?it was already there in Irleland and England centuries ago. It does not prove there was any lost tribes of Portugusse or Turks that came direct to Tenn and became Melungeons.
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Re: DNA in the Mestee Communities MISSED BELOW