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Jean Baptit Marcotte and Marie Anne Provencher
Posted by: Bob Grondin (ID *****0979) Date: August 16, 2002 at 12:31:41
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Please help me sort this one out.

Now, what is rock solid from original church records, recorded memories by great aunts, and newpaper obituaries is that my great-great grandparents were Oliver Grondin and Marie Anne Marcotte of Amherstburg Ontario. They end their lives living in the household of my great grandfather and die in January 1892.

Because Oliver Grondin and Mary Ann Marcotte lived with my great-grandparents, my grandfather and his siblings certainly had ample opportunity to learn about their Marcotte ancestry. My dad tells me that my grandfather used to kid my grandmother and tell her that one of his great-grandparents had married a Blackfoot Indian. My Dad could never figure out if this was serious though or just a way for Papa to tease Mimi. While family myth remains that until verified, the only portion of my Grandfather's ancestry where it is possible for there to be a native American is the Marcotte line. Everybody else can be tracked back all the way to France.

Denissen, in his book on French Families of the Detroit River Region, lists Oliver Grondin as marrying Marie Anne Marcotte, daughter of John Baptist Marcot and Mary Ann Provencher. He provides no data as to place or date of marriage of John Baptist Marcot and Mary Ann Provencher but shows Jean Baptiste and Marie-Anne had 4 children: Henry Frederick, Marie Anne, Isabella who marries a Laurent Cloutier, and a son Jean Israel. Several of the children were born in Sorel. John Baptist dies in Assumption, Sandwich in September 1828 and was born in an unspecifed location in 1750. Mary Anne Provencher dies in Assumption in 1828. No birth data provided for Mary Anne and no parents for either John Baptist Marcotte or Mary Ann Provencher

Others, found on world ancetral trees on ancestry.com (following Cindy Appleby's lead) agree with the above data for Jean Baptist in terms of his place and date of death, marriage to Mary Ann Prvoencher and children by her. They disagree as to date of birth, have a location for his birth, names for his parents and add in a first marriage. They have Jean Baptiste born in Wisconsin in the 1760's to Jean Baptist Marcotte and his native american wife Neskeech, and having a firstmarriage to a Native Aerican woman named Timothe, all of this occurring in the Mackinac area. They list the tribe as Potatwatomie and one of the more colorful relatives is a woman namde Franboise.. It is appaent that original records at Mackinac and published historical accounts were used by Cindy Appleby to provide a portion of this data.

Then, I go to the LDS microfilms of the original church records of St. John the Baptist in Amherstburg and find entries in 1839 for Jean Baptist Marcotte, widower of Mariane Provencher, which show him alive and kickng 11 years after he is supposedly buried at Assumption. I contradict one of the things that erverybody agreed on!

There is a Hency Frederick Marcotte found in various points in the St. John Baptist records, Ontario censuses and in the cemetery of Assumption Church Sandwich who is an excellent candidate for Mary Ann Marcotte's brother Henry Frederick.

Then, there is some message board activity on Genealogy.com. Michel Marcotte says "As of 8/24/2000, I did not yet have this info built into my charts, but as chance would have it, I was just working on the Marcotte - Provencher connection. Your Jean-Baptiste was the son of another Jean-Baptiste Marcotte, who was married 7 Nov 1774 in Nicolet, PQ to Marie-Anne Laplante. One of your J-Baptiste's brothers, Joseph, also married a Provencher, named Agathe. Victoire Provencher married one of your Jean Baptiste's first cousins, Joseph (son of J-B senior's brother, Joseph (senior). The info come from Jean Marcotte's Genealogical dictionary of the Marcotte Family. Eventually, I will be adding this data to my chart at: http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/M/Michael.L.Marcotte-1/nicolas.htm"

More recently, Michel Marcotte provided this on the forum "Per Jean Marcotte's Genealogical Dictionary of the Marcotte Families, Marie (who married Joseph Boisvert 28 April 1868 at St-Valere d'Arthabaska) was the daughter of Cahrles Marcotte and Marguerite Descoteaux. Charles and Marguerite were married 29 Oct 1839 at Baie du Febvre. Charles was the son of Michel Marcotte and Josephte Salmon. (Michel and Josephte married 13 April 1812 in Nicolet.) Michel was the son of Jean-Baptiste Marcotte and Marie-Anne-Laplante. Earlier generations may viewed viewed at my chart at:http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/M/Michael.L.Marcotte-1/nicolas.htm"

A response by June Young to this most recent message states "The parents of Josephte Salmon,married to Michel Marcotte 13 April 1812 are Nicolas Salmon and Angelique Biron. I took this directly from the church records. For interest,my husband's ancestor is brother of Michel,Joseph Marcotte who married Victoire Provencher. Another brother Jean Baptiste Marcotte married Marie Ann Provencher.The grandmother of one of them is Judith Charlerey,godmother of dtr Marie Anne.Would have to look up anythign else. Another brother,Clement married M.Louise Chauvet (just in case you don't have these. I also have a lot of info on the Provenchers."

The St. John the Baptist records also have some entries in the 1830s for the family of a Joseph Marcotte and Agatha Provencher, as well as a baptism for a Provencher child where the godmother is Marie Anne Marcotte, described as a cousin of the infant. The child's mother was surnamed Aroch.

Now, the Michel Marcotte webpage (now moved to http://www.michaelmarcotte.com/) does show a Jean Baptiste Marcote marrying Marie Neskeck in Mackinac. Marei is listed as being of the Ottawa tribe. The only child shown for them though is Magdeline Marcotte, who marries Joseph Laframboise. However, these charts also fail to show any Jean Baptiste Marcotte marrying Mary Anne Provencher, although the links mentioned in the messages above to Victoire Provencher and Agatha Provencher are shown.

So, you see my problem. I have two apparently well-researched but mutually exclusive possiblities for the ancestry of Jean Baptist Marcotte, husband of Mary Ann Provencher.


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