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Greetings, Henry. First let me thank you for all of your interesting and informative posts over the years about your limb of the Manzer family tree. My research of the Manzer's has greatly profited from your knowledge and wisdom in the area.
Although I don't have documentary evidence to prove your ancestor Martin's parentage, I do have a reasoned supposition that he is the son of the Palatine, Lawrence Meintzer (1710), of Liedesholm, Germany who came to NY in 1739 and not, as has been often presumed, the brother of the Long Island UEL Manzers, Christopher, Private John T. & Barnet Manzer who were descended from Walloon Dutchman James (1578) who migrated to America in 1642. The last of these 5 so-called UEL "brothers" was Daniel Manzer who also emigrated to Canada after the war and then later returned to upstate NY. I think he was likely Martin's brother and therefore, a cousin of the others.
Lawrence (1710) has always been presumed to be the son of John (1684) and the brother of my ancestor, John (1725). The elder John (1684), born in Long Island City, Queens Cty, was the uncle of the Long Island UEL Manzer's. It is possible, however, that Lawrence (1710) was simply a Palatine relative, nearly a century removed, living in near proximity in Rensselaer Cty since there is record of a Lawrence Mainzer Senior who petitioned to leave Liedelsheim, Germany in 1737 for parts unknown during the latter stages of the great Palatine emigration. (Jones & Rohrbach, "Even More Palatine Families", Picton Press, Rockport, 2002, p. 43, referring to Werner Hacker, Auswanderung aus Baden und dem Breisgau, #6725.)
John (1684), a descendant of the Walloon Dutch, and brother of moved upstate to the vicinity of the Rensselaerwyck Colony (later Manor) in the early-18th century where he is enumerated as a husbandman & vinedresser, married with 2 children including a daughter in "The Fourth List of Palatines taken at St. Catherine's and Deftford" on June 15, 1709. Further reference to this family can be found in Scott & Stryker-Rodda,"Denizations, Naturalizations & Oaths of Allegiance in Colonial New York" (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1975, pp. 44-45)where it is noted that Johann Mentzer and Lorentz Mentzer were naturalized in New York in 1739 and swore allegiance to the King in 1755. This was, of course, the era of the English succession of the Dutch and such loyalty oaths were generally required of all the Dutch and Palatine residents in NY. It has always been presumed that this John (1725)(my ancestor) and Lawrence (1710) were brothers, but there is no evidence of this, and there is evidence of John's (1725) baptism as a son of John (1684), but not Lawrence's.
Of Lawrence's (1710) descendants who did not fight in the war, they can be seen in the 1800 census in Greenbush, Rensselaer Cty, and a few remain in Rensselaer Cty to this day, but more moved west after the Revolutionary War, first to the former Iroquois lands in western NY and then further, following the frontier, all the way to California. I recently made contact with a descendant of Barnet Absolom Manzer (1780)(Lawrence's grandson), who was one of the founding members of the LDS, and settled in Utah where his descendants remain to this day.
In any case, that's my theory which I hope is of use to you. I will send you the data I have on Martin & Betsy under separate cover to your published e-mail address. Cheers! JOS
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