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I was intrigued by the coincidence that we both have a Mander (or Manders in my case) and a Lishman in our families. Do you know where Maria Lishman Bickley came from? It is a northern name in England, but mine come from Devon. so I don't know how they got there. My Manders come from Yorkshire and possibly the Midlands - see my other message about John George Manders.
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