The following quotes are from: THE MAGNA CHARTA SURETIES, 1215, The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendents Who Settled in America 1607-1650; By FREDERICK LEWIS WEIS, Th.D. and Arthur Adams, Ph.D.; Third Edition, With Additions and Corrections By WALTER LEE SHEPPARD, JR., M.S.; Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1985:
On pages ix & x; COLONISTS WHOSE ANCESTRY IS DISCUSSED:
"Olive Welby, wife of Dea. Henry Farwell Massachusetts Line 8"
"Frances Bulkeley, wife of Richard Welby [parents of Olive] Massachusetts Line 98" [Note: on page xi, "Grace Chetwode, wife of Rev. Peter Bulkeley Massachusetts Line 111"; Peter/Frances - brother/sister.]
"Dr. Richard Palgrave Massachusetts Line 19"
There are only slight variations between some of the ancestral lines printed in both THE MAGNA CHARTA SURETIES, 1215 & and those printed in the ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF SIXTY COLONISTS, and to quote these lines directly from THE MAGNA CHARTA SURETIES, 1215, may be more confusing than helpful to the average reader. Only the lines of the sureties & nobles who can be traced back to from Olive Welby & Dr. Richard Palgrave will be quoted from. For our ancestral line(s) back to King John [29. JOHN, LACKLAND, KING OF ENGLAND, 1199-1216], see qoutes from the ANCESTRAL ROOTS OF SIXTY COLONISTS.
On page vii of THE MAGNA CHARTA SURETIES, 1215;
AN INTRODUCTION TO THE MAGNA CHARTA:
"The Magna Charta (or Carta) is generally considered to be the cornerstone of Anglo-Saxon law, since it is the earliest agreement between sovereign and subject (i.e. the noble class) on the rights of both parties --- that is, what each can do, and the limitations of powers. In addition, the Great Charter set up watchdogs for both sides: twenty-five men representing the barons, which twenty-five signed for the barons and were sureties for the baronial performance, and [nobles - the friends of the king, who were named in the Charter."
"Of the twenty-five Sureties only seventeen have identified descendents. ... All of the first seventeen are represented in the pedigrees which follow."
"For the convienience of the users of this book the editor has provided two tables, each with footnotes, to supply lineage information, one on the Sureties, the other on those persons who appear as friends of the King. Though there is some overlap between this work and ANCESTRAL ROOTS, much of the material here supplied is different [such as the added lineage of Richard Welby' father of Olive], and the two books may be used together."
THE TWENTY-FIVE SURETIES OF THE MAGNA CHARTA
Only eleven of the seventeen Sureties with identified descendents can be traced back to from Olive Welby, Frances Bulkeley & Dr. Richard Palgrave, and they are:
Richard de Clare, Earl of Clare
Saher de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford
Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk
Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford
Gilbert de Clare [later Sir Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester and Hereford & son of Richard de Clare, Earl of Clare]
William de Mowbray
John de Lacy, Constable of Chester, Baron of Holton
William de Albini of Belvoir
On page viii;
Hugh Bigod, later Earl of Norfolk [son of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk]
PERSONS NAMED IN THE PREAMBLE OF MAGNA CHARTA AS ADVISORS OF KING JOHN
None of the eleven clerics named can be traced back to from Olive Welby, Frances Bulkeley & Dr. Richard Palgrave..
Only five of the fifteen Nobles named, can be traced back to from Olive Welby, Frances Buckeley & Dr. Richard Palgrave, and they are:
William Marshall, Earl of Pembroke
William Longspee, Earl of Salisbury
William [de Warenne], Earl of Warren (and Surrey)
Alan of Galloway, Constable of Scotland
[Note: From our ancestors Olive Welby & Dr. Richard Palgrave, we can trace back to seventeen of our ancestors named in the Magna Charta [Great Charter], including King John. The power struggles by these ancestors, and their sons & grandsons, during the next century*, provided the basis for much of our present represntative forms of government and legal systems.]
On page 5; Line 8:
This first part of Line 8 shows the descent down to 10. Alice Neville from Magna Charta Sureties Roger Bigod & his son Hugh Bigod. Since Alice Neville is not the mother of our ancestor Maud Grey, I will began with the second part of Line 8, beginning with an explanation at the top of page 6.
On page 6; Line 8:
"Note: MAUD GREY (Gen. 11) was sister, not dau., of SIR THOMAS GREY (65-8). Line breaks at this point."
"11. MAUD GREY (65-9)" living 1451; m. c. 21 May 1399 to Sir Robert Ogle, Knight, Warden of Roxborough Castle.
"12. ANNE OGLE; m. (1) 13 Jan. 1411/2, Sir William Heron, Knt., of Ford"
"13. ELIZABETH HERON," m. 11 July 1438 to her cousin Sir John Heron, Knt.
"14. ELIZABETH HERON; m. SIR ROBERT TAILBOYS, KNT. (108-1), Lord Kyme, M. P. 1472-1478, d. 1494/5. (CP VII, 361)." [Page xiii, M. P. - Member of Parliment; CP - Complete Peerage]
"15. MAUD TAILBOYS, m. Sir Robert Tyrwhit, Knt., of Kettleby, b. 1482, d. 4 July 1548, High Sheriff of Lincolnshire."
"16. KATHARINE TYRWHIT; m. Sir Richard Thimbleby of Irnham, lord of the manor of East Bridgeford, co. Nottingham, d. 28 Sept. 1590."
"17. ELIZABETH THIMBLEBY," m. (2) Thomas Welby of Moulton.
"18. RICHARD WELBY, of Moulton, 2nd son, bp. 1564; m. 4 June 1595, FRANCES BULKELEY (98-16), q.v."
"19. OLIVE WELBY, b. c. 1604, d. c. 1691; m. c. 1629, Deacon Henry Farwell, d. c. 1670; they came to Concord, Massachusetts, from England, about 1635."
On page 48; Line 65:
"6. JOHN de MOWBRAY (63-6), 4th Lord Mowbray; m. Elizabeth de Seagrave."
[Note: Line 63 begins on page 46 with 1. William de Mowbray, Magna Charta Surety, 1215 & 2. Roger de Mowbray. Line 63 continues on page 47 with 3. Roger de Mowbray, 4. John de Mowbray & 5. John de Mowbray, who m. Joan Plantagenet (4-7), dau of (4-6) Maud de Chaworth & Henry Plantagenet, Earl of Lancaster, son of Edmund Plantagenet & Blanche of Artois, and grandson of King Henry III of England* & Eleanor of Provence.
Line 4 begins on page 2 with 1. Roger Bigod, Magna Charta Surety, 1215; 2. Hugh Bigod, also a Magna Charta Surety, 1215 & Isabel Bigod, who m. (2) Sir John Fitz Geoffrey of Shere, Farnbridge, etc., Justiciar of Ireland; son of Geoffrey Fitz Piers (160-3), Earl of Essex, and Aveline de Clare. Line 4 continues on page 3 with 4. Maud Fitz John, who m. (2) William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick; 5. Isabel de Beauchamp, who m. (1) Sir Patrick de Chaworth, Lord of Kidwelley, Wales, son of Patrick de Chaworth & (2) Sir Hugh le Despenser, Earl of Winchester, son of Hugh le Despenser & Aline Basset; and "6. Maud de Chaworth (by the 2nd husband); m. as 1st wife bef. 2 Mar. 1296/7, Henry Plantagenet, Earl of Lancaster ...".]
"7. CATHERINE de MOWBRAY, m. Sir Thomas Grey of Heaton, d. c. 30 Nov. 1400."
"8. SIR THOMAS GREY, of Heaton, beheaded 5 Aug. 1415; m. ALICE NEVILLE (8-10), q.v. She m. (2) Sir Gilbert de Lancaster. (NEHGR VOL. 105, P. 155)." [Page xiii, NEHGR - New England Historical and Genealogical Register]
"Note: MAUD GREY (Gen. 9) was sister, not dau. of SIR THOMAS GREY (65-8)."
"9. MAUD GREY (8-11), (dau. gen. 7)" [Note: see MAUD GREY shown on page 5; Line 8: Gen. 11 & her line to 19. OLIVE WELBY]
* [Note: King John's son, King Henry III was a brother of Eleanor, wife of Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester, leader of the noblility who revolted against King Henry III. In 1264, their armies captured the King & his son, Prince Edward who remained at Leicester as a captive until his escape fifteen months later. Edward I, Longshanks, King of England, subsequently demanded proof of the submission of his subjects, which led to the signatures collected in "The Ragman Roll" of 1296 - the first mention of many surnames that were not exclusively of royal & noble families. One signature in Scotland was by Richard Laurence of Byker, who was likely another of my ancestors. He was probably the same man as Richard Laurensone of Biggar, in Lanarkshire.]]
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