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Re: Are you related to Arch Bishop Stephen Langton?
Posted by: Susan Scarcella (ID *****9724) Date: February 06, 2011 at 13:58:47
In Reply to: Re: Are you related to Arch Bishop Stephen Langton? by joel langton of 463

I knew William was wrong, hence the question marks, and went back to an earlier post to find that it was Walter.
I think they possibly are related to the Langtons of Langton by Partney/Spilsby, but there is no proof one way or the other. I have never heard of any documents recording the ancestry of this very short-lived family. Had they continued, the heralds might have picked them up, but, sadly, they didn't.
The Langtons of L by Wragby were very minor players in history, unlike their namesakes down the road, who married into very prominent families, and have held their lands continuously.
Even with families like the Billesbys of Bilsby,who were quite prominent in the late middle ages, there is a paucity of information concerning the early generations, just the names of the main genealogy.And they died out in the main line after the only one left was Cicely who first married a Langton, then an Asfordby, becoming an ancestress of the present royal family (hence why the information is available).
What I would like to see is someone who can link these manorial families to the major Norman families they sprang from. eg I am descended from Littledales of Cumbria. they come in from Littledale in lancashire, where a family, the de Littledales held the manor of that name in the village of Caton. A brief check assures me that the de Littledales were a younger branch of the de Catons, who were, in turn, part of the Taillifer family, one of the premier Norman families from the Conquest.
Since there were only ever about 250 nobles from Normandy/France/Brittany amongst the Conqueror's force (or who arrived shortly afterwards), it goes to say that all manorial families of the early Middle ages in England were descended from these. The younger sons were notpermitted to take the family name, but assumed that of any land they acquired. So it is possible for three sons of one noble family to have three different 'surnames'. And to see the link between these families later on is very difficult.
We are of the quiet opinion, however, that the Langtons of L by Partney/Spilsby may be, as I said, natural descendants of Hugh D'Avranches, nephew of the Conqueror, because it was he who presented Robert of Sempringham with the manor.
Of course, it is possible that Robert was given the manor for some other reason(eg valour, service etc), but Hugh didn't give away manors to just anyone. He usually gave them to his many bastards.
It would be wonderful to be able to establish a familial link to Hugh, as this would extend the lineage of the Langtons to Charlemagne and beyond.
Now of course, all Europeans are descended from Charlemagne (mathematically proven). And the later Langtons already descend from him through Rose Littlebury and probably several other Langton wives, but it would still be fun to make the connection.
Keep in touch.
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