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Re: HERBERT KNAPP & LOUISA M. JONES
Posted by: Gene Lindsley (ID *****2512) Date: October 22, 2011 at 12:57:46
In Reply to: HERBERT KNAPP & LOUISA M. JONES by Helen Lightcap of 4224

Helen,I CAN'T PROVE THE INFORMATION I'M SENDING

I'M NOT RELATED TO YOU

IT'S SORT OF, YOU ASK, I LOOK, I FIND, I SEND

HOPEFULLY IT'LL AT LEAST GIVE YOU A START.

I ENJOY GENEALOGY AND HELPING PEOPLE

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IT KEEPS ME OFF OF THE COUCH

HERE WE GO:

United States Census, 1880 for Herbert Knapp

Name: Herbert Knapp
Residence: La Fayette, Onondaga, New York
Birthdate: 1856 ****
Birthplace: New York, United States
Relationship to Head: Self
Spouse's Name: Louise Knapp
Spouse's Birthplace: New York, United States
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: New York, United States
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: New York, United States
Race or Color (Expanded): White
Ethnicity (Standardized): American
Gender: Male
Martial Status: Married
Age (Expanded): 24 years
Occupation: Farmer
NARA Film Number: T9-0905
Page: 297
Page Character: D
Entry Number: 4815
Film number: 1254905
Household Gender Age
Herbert Knapp M 24
Spouse Louise Knapp F 23
Child Nettie Knapp F 2
NOTE: Nettie's name and age Name: Louise Knapp

Residence: La Fayette, Onondaga, New York
Birthdate: 1857
Birthplace: New York, United States
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse's Name: Herbert Knapp
Spouse's Birthplace: New York, United States
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: England ****
Mother's Birthplace: New York, United States
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.Spouse & Children
Louisa J Knapp 1857 – Nettie M Knapp 1878 – Arthur H. Knapp 1882 – Jennie E Knapp 1890 – Ruth A Knapp 1893 –
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Morris Knapp

Birth abt 1816 in Pompey, Onondaga, New York
Death

Spouse & Children
Susan E. Carter 1820 – John Sprague Knapp 1838 – Cordelia Knapp 1840 – David Knapp 1844 – Thomas Knapp 1846 – Mary Knapp 1848 – Jeremiah Knapp 1854 – Herbert Knapp 1856 –
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Now from another Data base - the family goes way back in time !!

Will not send all the childrens names's - if you want all of them, you'll have have to have ancestry !!!

•Name: Moses Knapp
•Sex: M
•Birth: 03 JUL 1755 in Port Chuck, Orange Co., NY
•Death: 13 DEC 1846 in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY

Father: Charles Knapp b: 1731 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
Mother: Hannah Finch b: 11 OCT 1733 in Greenwich, Fairfield Co., CT

Marriage 1 Amy Sprague
Children
1. Morris Knapp b: 1816 in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY
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•Name: Charles Knapp
•Sex: M
•Birth: 1731 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
•Death: 11 FEB 1793 in Warwick, Orange Co., NY




Father: John Knapp b: ABT 1700 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
Mother: Margaret Taylor b: 1705 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT

Marriage 1 Hannah Finch b: 11 OCT 1733 in Greenwich, Fairfield Co., CT
•Married: 1754
Children
1. Moses Knapp b: 03 JUL 1755 in Port Chuck, Orange Co., NY
2. Daniel Knapp b: 13 JAN 1777
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•Name: John Knapp
•Sex: M
•Birth: ABT 1700 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
•Death: 1758




Father: Samuel Knapp b: 1668 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT
Mother: Hannah Bushnell b: 22 AUG 1676 in Norwalk, Fairfield Co., CT

Marriage 1 Margaret Taylor b: 1705 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
•Married: 1724
Children
1. John Knapp b: ABT 1725 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
2. Charles Knapp b: 1731 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
3. Amos Knapp b: 1740 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
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•Name: Samuel Knapp
•Sex: M
•Birth: 1668 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT
•Death: ABT 1739 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT


Ancestry Hints for Samuel Knapp

5 possible matches found on Ancestry.com



Father: Caleb Knapp b: 20 JAN 1637 in Watertown, Middlesex Co. MA
Mother: Hannah Smith b: ABT 1642 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT

Marriage 1 Hannah Bushnell b: 22 AUG 1676 in Norwalk, Fairfield Co., CT
Children
1. John Knapp b: ABT 1700 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
2. Francis Knapp b: 1702
3. Abigail Knapp b: ABT 1705
4. Caleb Knapp b: ABT 1709 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
5. Mercy Knapp b: 1713 in Danbury, Fairfield Co., CT
6. Joshua Knapp b: 05 FEB 1716
7. Aaron Knapp b: ABT 1718
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•Name: Caleb Knapp 1
•Sex: M
•Birth: 20 JAN 1637 in Watertown, Middlesex Co. MA
•Death: BEF 04 MAY 1675 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT


Ancestry Hints for Caleb Knapp

7 possible matches found on Ancestry.com



Father: Nicholas Knapp b: ABT 1606 in Wells-Next-Sea, Norfolk, England
Mother: Eleanor Unknown b: 1610 in Bures, St. Marys, Suffolk, England

Marriage 1 Hannah Smith b: ABT 1642 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT
•Married: ABT 1660 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT
Children
1. Samuel Knapp b: 1668 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT
2. Hannah Knapp b: 1672 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT

Sources:
1.Author: Robert Charles Anderson
Title: The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633
Publication: Name: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995, 2000;
Note:
Source Medium: Book
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•Name: Nicholas Knapp 1 2
•Sex: M
•Birth: ABT 1606 in Wells-Next-Sea, Norfolk, England
•Death: 16 SEP 1670 in Stamford, Fairfield Co. CT
•Note:
]America's First Families
Ancestor Roll Of Honor

NICHOLAS KNAPP
MASSACHUSETTS-CONNECTICUT
(c1606-1670)

Nicholas KNAPP born c1606 in England, died April 16,1670, Stamford, Fairfield Co., NY. He married Elinor (c1606-1658) ________ possibly in England c.1630. They were the parents of nine children.

Nicholas and his first wife, Elinor, departed Southampton, England March 22, 1630 to Yarmouth, England and departed April 6, 1630, to Salem, MA, arriving there June 12th and settled at Watertown, Ma. They came to New England with the "Winthrop/Saltonstall Expedition of 1630." As stated in the book,The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 (Reprint 1976), by Charles Edward BANKS, :53, QUOTE: "...As there is no known list if emigrants, who came in the Winthrop Fleet, so there is none of those who came in particular ships...."

Fortunately, for our purposes, there exists a list of seventy names of those who came with the fleet; a rough list prepared by Winthrop. Among those entered is found the names Nicholas and Elinor (????)Knapp. Possibly aboard the ARBELLA

In the Watertown Books of Town Proceedings-Books I & II he appears many times and his total inventory consisted of the following acreage: 1. An Homestall of Sixteen Acres. 2. Two Acres in Pine Marsh. 3. One Acre in Pond Meadow. 4. Thirty Acres of Upland. 5. Six Acres of Plowland. 6. Seven Acres of Meadow. 7. Thirteen Acres of Upland. 8. A Farme of One Hundred and Seventeen Acres of Upland.

The MA Colonial Records, under date of March 1, 1630/31, shows that Nicholas KNOP (KNAPP), was fined five pounds for taking upon himself to cure the scurvy by water of no worthe or value, which he sold at a very deare rate. The water had been found beneficial and the suit dropped upon payment of costs.

He sold his lands at Watertown, Ma, on May 6, 1646 and removed to Wethersfield, Hartford Co., CT then possibly Rye, CT,then possibly to Greenwich, Fairfield Co., CT and then finally to Stamford, Fairfield Co., NY where he settled and probably remained until his death in April 1770.

Nicholas KNAPP's first wife Elinor died in 1658 and Nicholas married 2. Unity the widow of Clement BUXTON Sr. within the year.
Submitted by PAULA LOUISE NAUJALIS 0f Grand Rapids, MI

11-Probably the most current and reliable source of information relating to Nicholas and family are the condensed bibliographic sketches on families who arrived in America between 1620-1633, and is entitled "The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633 (1995 - in 3 Volumes), by Robert Charles Anderson, F.A.S.G.. Articles relating to the ancestry of William KNOPP [not Knapp], also appear in these volumes and in earlier articles which establish William Knopp's ancestry, etc, etc., including that of his first wife, Judith Tue. These articles give sufficient extant source references to prove and disprove the many myths and statements found in early day writings and should be adhered to by conscientious Knapp Family Researchers.

SOURCE: The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 (Reprint 1976-Genealogical Publishing Company), by Charles Edward Banks

Early research found that among the passengers that came to America in 1630, Nicholas Knapp and William Knopp, were in evidence. The immigrants came to America in 1630. The Admiral ["Arbella"-formerly the "Eagle"] of the Fleet left the waters of the Castle of Yarmouth "On Thursday, April 8, at six in the morning, weighing anchor and setting sail, followed by her three consorts in scattered formation" [The Winthrop Fleet of 1630 (Reprint 1976), by Charles E Banks, :37) NOTE: Keep in mind this is in reference only to the "Arbella," as there were other ships underway when the "Arbella" set sail. The April 6 entry refers to the boarding of the "Arbella" by Captain Milbourne, of Yarmouth Castle, "a grave, comely gentleman, and of great age"[Ibid, :36]. Fortunately for the purposes of our list of immigrant passengers, there exists a list of seventy names of those who came with the Fleet; a rough list prepared by John Winthrop, and is found entered in a "flyleaf" disconnected from the main text of the original Winthrop Fleet Journal. It was from this list that ancestors Nicholas Knapp and William Knopp, with wives and children were identified. Although it does not depict the name of the ship on which these ancestors were passengers, we can be reasonably assured they were passengers aboard the "Arbella", the Winthrop Fleet Flagship. It is also recognized, that they could have been passengers on any of the other ships in the Fleet that are known to have carried passengers, as well. As stated in the source [Ibid, :53], QUOTE; "As there is no known list of emigrants who came with the Winthrop Fleet, so there is none for those who came in particular ships....". The Fleet consisted of eleven ships as follows:

+1-"Arbella" - Admiral
#2-Talbot - Vice Admiral
#3-Mayflower
+4-Whale
+5-Ambrose-Rear Admiral
+6-Jewel-Captain
#7-William & Francis
+8-Success
#9-Hopewell
#10-Trial
#11-Charles
+=Carried Passengers #=Carried Freight & Livestock

Source:
Fred "Fritz" Knapp is a 61 year old retired US Army Veteran, hailing originally from the State of West Virginia, now residing in the State of Missouri with his family. His interest in Genealogy began on a limited basis in 1962. He began delving fully into his Knapp Line after retirement in 1981, wanting to know more about his family’s Knapp ancestry. As time passed and his interest in New England Genealogy and History became an obsession, his interest spread to the point of finding out as much as possible about the early families that in some way connected to the surname Knapp, whether related to him personally or not. Further emphasis was placed on purifying "yesteryear" mistakes found in many written compilations relating to his Knapp and Allied Family surnames, and at the same time passing his findings along to others who might have need of such information.

From: SAVAGE-COLLINS, ORIGINS & DESCENDANTS, 1630 - 1960
A Chronicle of Selected Descendants of Certain Immigrant Ancestors From
Britain, Ireland and Korea & Who Hold Connecticut In Common. Compiled &
Edited By R. Thomas Collins, Jr.

NICHOLAS KNAPP (Knap) was born in 1605 in East Anglia, probably in the
village of Bures St. Mary, Suffok. Nicholas was a weaver, one of a
growing number of Puritan weavers and artisans who not only suffered
religious persecution but also suffered economically because the long
wars in Europe cut off markets for their goods. Early spellings in
England were Cnaep, Cnepe, Knepe or Knopp. Nicholas spelled his name
Knap, the second "p" not used until the time of the American Revolution.
A Saxon name, cnoep meant hilltop, the word knob having the same origin.
Nicholas and his wife, ELINOR LOCKWOOD, a daughter of Edmund Lockwood, of
Combs, Suffolk, sailed with John Winthrop's fleet of 11 ships in 1630.
The Massachusetts Bay Company selected Winthrop governor and established
a settlement on the Shawmut Peninsula now called Boston. Nicholas and
Elinor Knapp settled in Watertown with the congregation headed by
Winthrop's associate, Sir Richard Saltonstall. Their church was
established on July 30, 1630.

On March 1, 1631, Nicholas was fined five pounds by the Massachusetts
General Court for "taking upon him to cure the scurvy by a water with no
worth nor value which he sold at a very dear rate." Unless the fine was
paid, the court said, Nicholas was to be whipped and imprisoned.
Nicholas' friend, William Pelham and his father- or brother-in-law,
Edmund Lockwood, paid three pounds of Nicholas' fine and promised the
rest later. When no one who had bought the water complained and some, in
fact, said the water helped cure their ailments, the rest of the fine was
forgiven.

By 1636, Nicholas owned 30 acres. By 1639, he owned a farm of 117 acres,
a home lot of 16 acres, 43 acres of upland, seven acres of meadow, six
acres of plowland, two acres in Pine Marsh and one acre in Pond Meadow.
On March 6, 1646, Nicholas sold everything and set out for Stamford,
Connecticut spending two years in Wethersfield before reaching his
destination in 1648. In Stamford, Nicholas owned a small mill and 16
acres of farmland. Elinor died in 1658. Nicholas later married Unity
(Buxton) Brown, the second wife and widow of PETER BROWN. Nicholas, who
died in 1670, and Elinor (Lockwood) Knapp had nine children, including a
daughter, Ruth, and a son, Joshua.

The following is from "The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633" by Robert Charles Anderson:

KNAPP, NICHOLAS [1630, Watertown]
NICHOLAS KNAPP

ORIGIN: Unknown
MIGRATION: 1630
FIRST RESIDENCE: Watertown
REMOVES: Stamford 1646

EDUCATION: Signed will by mark. His inventory included books valued at 6s. 6d.
ESTATE: Granted thirty acres in the Great Dividend in Watertown, 25 July 1636 [WaBOP 4]; granted six acres in Beaverbrook Plowlands, 28 February 1636/7 [WaBOP 6]; granted seven acres in Remote Meadows, 26 June 1637 [WaBOP 9]; granted a farm of 117 acres, 10 May 1642 [WaBOP 12].
In the Watertown Inventory of Grants "Nicholas Knap" held seven parcels of land: sixteen acre homestall; two acres in Pine Marsh; one acre of meadow; thirty acres of upland in Great Dividend; six acres of plowland in the Hither Plain [Beaverbrook Plowlands]; seven acres in Remote Meadows; and thirteen acres of upland beyond the Farther Plain [WaBOP 86]; in the Composite Inventory he held eight parcels, comprising the seven parcels of the Inventory of Grants plus the 117 acre farm [WaBOP 29].
On 29 September 1645 "Nicholas Knap of Watertowne" sold to Edward Garfield one acre of meadow [SLR 1:71].
On 6 May 1646 "Nicholas Knapp of Watertowne" sold to Bryan Pendleton "all his land in Watertowne granted by the town as by the transcript may appear with all the housing thereupon (only one acre in Pond Meadow formerly being sold excepted) with all the privileges thereunto belonging" [SLR 1:71].
In his will, dated 15 April 1670 (date of probate not shown), "Nicolas Knap of Standford" bequeathed to son Moses Knap "my house and land in Standford with all the meadows and upland belonging unto me," with some moveables; to son Timothy money due to Nicholas; to son Caleb "the loom and half the gears"; to son "Josuah" the other "half of the gears"; to "daughter Sarah Disbrowe the money due to me from her husband"; to "daughter Hanna" one mare; to daughter "Lidea the mare that was Mr. Bishop's with the increase she hath"; to daughter Ruth 20s.; to "my two daughters-in-law viz: Sarah & Uneca Buxton" clothes, a Bible, and their share of the estate of their father Clement Buxton; son Joshua to be executor [Fairfield PR 2:55].
The inventory of "Nicolas Knap" was taken 27 April 1670 and totalled œ166 13s. 11½d., of which the "house and lands" totalled œ50 [Fairfield PR 2:56].

BIRTH: By about 1606 based on estimated date of marriage.
DEATH: Stamford between 15 April 1670 (date of will) and 27 April 1670 (date of inventory).
MARRIAGE: (1) By 1631 Elinor _____; she d. Stamford 16 August 1658 [TAG 10:45].
(2) Stamford 9 March 165[8/]9 Unica (_____) (Buxton) Brown [TAG 10:113]. She was widow of Clement Buxton and Peter Brown [Gillespie Anc 61-63], and had apparently died by 15 April 1670, as she is not mentioned in her third husband's will.
CHILDREN:
i JONATHAN, b. Watertown early November 1631 (calc.); bur. Watertown 27 December 1631 "aged 7 weeks" [WaVR 3].
ii TIMOTHY, b. Watertown 14 December 1632 [WaVR 3]; m. by about 1658 Bethia _____ (said to have been Bethia Brundish).
iii JOSHUA, b. Watertown 5 January 1634/5 [WaVR 3]; m. Stamford 9 June 1657 Hannah Close [TAG 10:45].
iv CALEB, b. Watertown 20 January 1636/7 [WaVR 4]; m. by 1661 Hannah Smith (eldest child b. Stamford 24 November 1661 [TAG 10:174]; in his will of 4 July 1687 Henry Smith of Stamford bequeathed to grandson John Knapp [FOOF 1:575]).
v SARAH, b. Watertown 5 January 1638/9 [WaVR 5]; m. Stamford 6 April 1657 Peter Disborough [TAG 10:112].
vi RUTH, b. Watertown 6 January 1640/1 [WaVR 8]; m. Stamford 20 November 1657 Joseph Ferris [TAG 10:112].
vii HANNAH, b. Watertown 6 March 1642/3 [WaVR 11]; named in father's will, 15 April 1670; no further record.
viii MOSES, b. say 1645; m. by 1669 Abigail Westcott (on 4 January 1669[/70] Moses Knapp receipted, in the right of his wife, for his share of the estate of Richard Westcott [FOOF 1:660]).
ix LYDIA, b. say 1647; m. Fairfield 16 January 1666/7 Isaac Hall [FOOF 1:250].
ASSOCIATIONS: See WILLIAM KNOPP for a discussion of suggestions of a relationship between William and Nicholas.

COMMENTS: 1 March 1630/1: "Nich: Knopp is fined œ5 for taking upon him to cure the scurvy by a water of no worth nor value, which he sold at a very dear rate, to be imprisoned till he pay his fine, or give security for it, or else to be whipped, & shall be liable to any man's action of whom he hath received money for the said water" [MBCR 1:83]; on 7 August 1632 "œ3 of Knop's fine of œ5 remitted" [MBCR 1:99]; at the general amnesty of 6 September 1638 it was noted that part of this fine "was paid, & the rest was remitted" [MBCR 1:243].
In the Beaverbrook Plowlands Nicholas Knapp received six acres, and in the Remote Meadows seven acres. Since these lands were granted in part on household size, this would suggest a birth in the interval between the two grants; the birth of Caleb fell exactly one month before the Beaverbrook Plowlands grant, and it may be that this was not taken into account for the Beaverbrook Plowlands grant, but was for the Remote Meadows grant.
At the date of the Remote Meadows grant of seven acres, the Nicholas Knapp family was known to have five members: Nicholas, wife Elinor, and sons Timothy, Joshua and Caleb. This permits the possibility that there were one or two more persons in the household, not necessarily children; but the difference might also be explained if Nicholas had sufficient wealth in cattle, the other criterion for the size of these grants.

LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT of NICHOLAS KNAPP (ca1606-1670)

Fairfield Probate Records

Vol 1665-1675, page 55 & 56

Fairfield, Fairfield Co, Connecticut

In Stamford ye 15th 2mo Anno 1670 [15 Apr 1670]:

The Last Will and Testament of Nicholas Knap of Stamford concerning the disposal of his worldly estate:

1. I give to my sonn Moses Knap my house and land in Stamford with all the meadow and upland belonging to me. Also I give to my said sonn Moses my cart and plowe or plowes--with all the furniture of Irons, yokes, and chaynes belonging and a small gun in the house and a sword.

2. I give unto my sonn Timothy Knap the monies remayning due to me upon the bil for the house of John Bats [John Bates] lives in.

3.I give to my sonn Calep [Caleb] the loom and halfe the geers and the other halfe of the geers I give to my sonn Joshua Knap.

4. I give to my daughter Sarah Disbrowe the monies due to me from her husband about 37s - concerning the horss.

5. I give to my daughter Hannah one mare.

6. I give to my daughter Lidea [Lydia] the mare that was Mr Bishop's with the increase she hath.

7. I give to my daughter Ruth twenty shillings.

8. I give to my two daughters-in-law [step daughters], viz: Sarah and Uneca Buxton, all their mother's clothes as a free gift, except one hat and one new pettecote, which my will is they should have onward of their portion. Also I will and bequeath unto Uneca Buxton the new Bible as a free gift.

9. My will is that portions due my daughters-in-law [step daughters], viz: Sarah and Uneca Buston, out of the estate of their father Clement Buxton: I say that their part and portions be currently payd according to their portion of the inventorie.

10. Lastly my will is that my sonn Joshua Knap be sole executor of this my last will to receive all and pay all dues according to this my will as also debts to or for me.

If in the case that mare be not found that I have given to Lidea [Lydia] that then shee to have another mare in lue of that.

This being my last will and renouncing all other former wills made by me witness my hand.

WITNESS:

(signed) John Weed Nicholas y Knap

Eleazur Slawson (his mark)

STATE OF CONN ) SS Probate Court

Dist of Fairfield )






Marriage 1 Eleanor Unknown b: 1610 in Bures, St. Marys, Suffolk, England
•Married: ABT 1631
Children
1. Jonathan Knapp b: 08 NOV 1631
2. Timothy Knapp b: 14 DEC 1632
3. Joshua Knapp b: 05 JAN 1635 in Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA
4. Caleb Knapp b: 20 JAN 1637 in Watertown, Middlesex Co. MA
5. Sarah Knapp b: 05 JAN 1639
6. Ruth Knapp b: 05 JAN 1641 in Watertown, MA
7. Hannah Knapp b: 06 MAR 1643 in Stamford, Fairfield Co., CT
8. Moses Knapp b: 06 AUG 1645 in Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA
9. Lydia Knapp b: 08 JUN 1647

Sources:
1.Author: Robert Charles Anderson
Title: The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633
Publication: Name: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995, 2000;
Note:
Source Medium: Book
2.Author: Josephine C. Frost
Title: The Frost genealogy : descendants of William Frost of Oyster Bay, New York, showing connections never before published with the Winthrop, Underhill, F
Publication: Name: New York: F.H. Hitchcock, Genealogical Publisher. 1912;
Note:
Source Medium: Book
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