Kirk origins and Moores Orange Co, NC
I've read over many of these notes with great interest.I'm looking for information on the Wm. Kirk who witnessed a deed of sale for my ancestor Sterling Moore in 1799 in Orange Co. NC.Wm. Clendinen, a neighbor, also witnessed the deed.I don't know where Sterling Moore came from (there's no record of land purchase for this sale), but I was interested in finding out about this Wm. Kirk.Can anyone tell me if he's the son of Lewis, and if so, who he might have married?
In looking over the Kirk notes I have, I see some things that might be of interest to those of you looking for the origin of Kirks in Orange.The earliest Kirks I can find in Orange Co. records (which was then much larger and included Alamance, Durham, Caswell, Chatham, and half of Guilford) were a Joseph and a George Kirk.
In looking over the Kirk notes I have, I see some things that might be of interest to those of you looking for the origin of Kirks in Orange.The earliest Kirks I can find in Orange Co. records (which was then much larger and included Alamance, Durham, Caswell, Chatham, and half of Guilford) were a Joseph and a George Kirk.From the Granvill Prop Deeds and Surveys (Abstracts by Wm. Bennet) 1762-1763 , a Joseph Kirk has an entry #564 on the S side of Haw River, joining the Haw Riv, at Copeland's Island and Kirk's Creek.This was surveyed in 1760 and and Chain carriers were John Brantley and George Kirk.The deed bears Joseph Kirk's signature.I am not certain where Copeland's Island was, but it may have been opposite Island Cr on Haw River, which I think was later renamed Meadow Cr, and is just a little south of where my Sterling Moore later sold land.Alternatively, it might be in present Chatham Co.
From the Granvill Prop Deeds and Surveys (Abstracts by Wm. Bennet) 1762-1763 , a Joseph Kirk has an entry #564 on the S side of Haw River, joining the Haw Riv, at Copeland's Island and Kirk's Creek.This was surveyed in 1760 and and Chain carriers were John Brantley and George Kirk.The deed bears Joseph Kirk's signature.I am not certain where Copeland's Island was, but it may have been opposite Island Cr on Haw River, which I think was later renamed Meadow Cr, and is just a little south of where my Sterling Moore later sold land.Alternatively, it might be in present Chatham Co.Then from the same book, #454, 2 Oct 1761 to Joseph Brantly, S side Deep River, Duncan Bohannon's corner, John Brantley's line.Chain carriers: Joseph Kirk, George Wooten.
Then from the same book, #454, 2 Oct 1761 to Joseph Brantly, S side Deep River, Duncan Bohannon's corner, John Brantley's line.Chain carriers: Joseph Kirk, George Wooten.#559 2 Oct 1761, to Robert Patterson, Mile Cr (Not sure of this creek name--have to recheck my notes)waters of Haw R, Edward KIRK's survey.Surv Apr 1761.CC Robert Sellers, James Patterson.w: Jas Watson, Jno Dowell.
#559 2 Oct 1761, to Robert Patterson, Mile Cr (Not sure of this creek name--have to recheck my notes)waters of Haw R, Edward KIRK's survey.Surv Apr 1761.CC Robert Sellers, James Patterson.w: Jas Watson, Jno Dowell.From Granville Prop Loose Estate Papers:
p33 warrant to Joseph Kirk 18 Mar 1760 to Joseph Kirk, 700 ac S side Haw Riv in forks of Haw River and Deep C, inluding plantation Kirk lives on.Surveyed Sep 1860, Deed 2 Oct 1761.
p33 warrant to Joseph Kirk 18 Mar 1760 to Joseph Kirk, 700 ac S side Haw Riv in forks of Haw River and Deep C, inluding plantation Kirk lives on.Surveyed Sep 1860, Deed 2 Oct 1761.
same ref, pg 37. Joseph Kirk, survey 18 Mar 1760, 375 ac S side Haw Riv, joining Copeland's Island, Kirk's Creek.
same ref, pg 37. Joseph Kirk, survey 18 Mar 1760, 375 ac S side Haw Riv, joining Copeland's Island, Kirk's Creek.Then I found a nice note sent to me a few years back from an Edgar Smith, who's address at the time (1995) was [email protected] concerning Joseph Kirk.
Then I found a nice note sent to me a few years back from an Edgar Smith, who's address at the time (1995) was [email protected] concerning Joseph Kirk.He writes "from Culpeppet Co, VA deed book (which one?) 22 Apr 1757, bond of Joseph Kirk of ORANGE CO, NC to George Roberts of Culpepper Co...regarding his possible claim to land in Culpepper his mother wanted to sell in that he was the eldest son of his mother, Frances CLIFT.His father, JOHN KIRK, had died in 1730 and she remarried Wm. CLIFT.The land was sold a George Roberts.Apparently Joseph did not contest the sale (a quetion of primogeniture).Wording implies there were other sons.
He writes "from Culpeppet Co, VA deed book (which one?) 22 Apr 1757, bond of Joseph Kirk of ORANGE CO, NC to George Roberts of Culpepper Co...regarding his possible claim to land in Culpepper his mother wanted to sell in that he was the eldest son of his mother, Frances CLIFT.His father, JOHN KIRK, had died in 1730 and she remarried Wm. CLIFT.The land was sold a George Roberts.Apparently Joseph did not contest the sale (a quetion of primogeniture).Wording implies there were other sons.Also Culpepper Co, VA references:
Will Bk pg 33; 21 Jun 1750: Joseph Kirke, B. Roberts and ____ Paynton were appraisers of estate of Edw Abbitt.
Will Bk pg 77; 16 May 1751: Joseph Kirk, Geo. Doggett and Thos Stubblefield and John Field were appraisers of estate of Joseph Bottom.
Will Bk pg 33; 21 Jun 1750: Joseph Kirke, B. Roberts and ____ Paynton were appraisers of estate of Edw Abbitt.
Will Bk pg 77; 16 May 1751: Joseph Kirk, Geo. Doggett and Thos Stubblefield and John Field were appraisers of estate of Joseph Bottom.
And in Orange Co. VIRGINIA, (Culpepper was created from Orange in 1749) Joseph Kirk is mentioned several times in the road orders as overseer etc. 1735, 1743, 1744 and 1745.
And in Orange Co. VIRGINIA, (Culpepper was created from Orange in 1749) Joseph Kirk is mentioned several times in the road orders as overseer etc. 1735, 1743, 1744 and 1745.The author of this note, Edgar Smith was trying to connect this Joseph Kirk to a John Kirk and a Thomas Kirk found in Culpepper about 1760, but born abt 1727.It sounds like the Joseph Kirk of Orange Co. NC came from the area of Orange/Culpepper Cos, VA.
The author of this note, Edgar Smith was trying to connect this Joseph Kirk to a John Kirk and a Thomas Kirk found in Culpepper about 1760, but born abt 1727.It sounds like the Joseph Kirk of Orange Co. NC came from the area of Orange/Culpepper Cos, VA.Does anyone have any ref books from these areas they might check for clues to Joseph and the other Orange Co. NC Kirks?
Does anyone have any ref books from these areas they might check for clues to Joseph and the other Orange Co. NC Kirks?There are lots of Kirk records in Orange Co. NC, including lots of land to Lewis Kirk and others, and some interaction with MOORES living near the Chatham line.In speculating some, I have been wondering if Lewis' wife Sarah might possibly have been a Moore, or if anyone knows of another Kirk/Moore connection.
There are lots of Kirk records in Orange Co. NC, including lots of land to Lewis Kirk and others, and some interaction with MOORES living near the Chatham line.In speculating some, I have been wondering if Lewis' wife Sarah might possibly have been a Moore, or if anyone knows of another Kirk/Moore connection.I have read the information from the Kirk Genealogy, and I don't see any way, if that book is correct, that there can be a direct link between the Orange Co. NC Moores and those in Darby, Pa, but you never know.
I have read the information from the Kirk Genealogy, and I don't see any way, if that book is correct, that there can be a direct link between the Orange Co. NC Moores and those in Darby, Pa, but you never know.Joseph Kirk's name also appears on a couple of court records for laying out of roads in 1760 and 1763.Some of the locations and other names associated suggest he might have been in the part that was later Orange or Alamance Co.
Joseph Kirk's name also appears on a couple of court records for laying out of roads in 1760 and 1763.Some of the locations and other names associated suggest he might have been in the part that was later Orange or Alamance Co.One of the notes posted here indicated that Wm. Kirk was sued by Lewis Kirk's widow to distribute his estate.Can the poster of that note list some more details, if you have them, for that suit.I have lots of Orange Co. NC records but they don't go up that far.
One of the notes posted here indicated that Wm. Kirk was sued by Lewis Kirk's widow to distribute his estate.Can the poster of that note list some more details, if you have them, for that suit.I have lots of Orange Co. NC records but they don't go up that far.I believe that after Sterling Moore sold his land (to James Johnston) in 1799, Moore sued Wm Kirk and (Wm?) CLendinen, who had witnessed this deed.I have no idea why, or what the outcome was, but I can't help wonderinng if there might have been a Kirk-Moore connection.
I believe that after Sterling Moore sold his land (to James Johnston) in 1799, Moore sued Wm Kirk and (Wm?) CLendinen, who had witnessed this deed.I have no idea why, or what the outcome was, but I can't help wonderinng if there might have been a Kirk-Moore connection.I'm also familiar with the work (By Boddie, I think) on the Kirk and Cureton Families and Moore connections, in which it's suggested that the John Kirk of Motngomery Co, NC's wife may have been Sarah MOORE, (b1759)rather than Sarah STEEL, and the speculation that she is the d/o Col.James Moore (b1729) and wife Sarah, and that James Moore is the son of John Moore and Elizabeth Cureton who were kicked out of Duck Creek Quaker Mtg in Delaware in 1723 for marrying "too close" (they were first cousins).However, years of research has never determined for me any children for this couple, or any indication of where they went after their marriage, and the supporting information given in the Boddie article is so flawed that I can barely follow it, much less accept it.
I'm also familiar with the work (By Boddie, I think) on the Kirk and Cureton Families and Moore connections, in which it's suggested that the John Kirk of Motngomery Co, NC's wife may have been Sarah MOORE, (b1759)rather than Sarah STEEL, and the speculation that she is the d/o Col.James Moore (b1729) and wife Sarah, and that James Moore is the son of John Moore and Elizabeth Cureton who were kicked out of Duck Creek Quaker Mtg in Delaware in 1723 for marrying "too close" (they were first cousins).However, years of research has never determined for me any children for this couple, or any indication of where they went after their marriage, and the supporting information given in the Boddie article is so flawed that I can barely follow it, much less accept it.If anyone can shed light on these Orange Co/Montgomery Co Kirks and their origins, and possible connections with Moores, I'd appreciate it very much.Please respond if you have anything to add.I'm not really a Kirk researcher, but this is just information I've acquire in my Moore search.