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Re: Kinchen's of McNairy/Chester County Tenn.
Posted by: Diana Doyle (ID *****9212) Date: May 20, 2009 at 05:26:58
In Reply to: Re: Kinchen's of McNairy/Chester County Tenn. by drew kinchen of 272


John Kizer b. abt 1806 married Nancy West (this maiden name was handed down to me from my Aunt, who got it from our cousin, Lockie. She was the family expert...unfortunately, she passed away several years ago, so I can't question her...but I'll take her word on that). I don't really have any info on where they came from or anything. I have a few leads on John, but nothing for sure. The 1850 census lists the kids, except George, who can be found on the 1860 census.

Their children are: Mary Ann, James Hardin, Ester, Nancy, Malissa, Elizabeth, Charles, and George. (I have dates if you want them).

As for Casper....Dicey was a common nickname for the name Nancy at this time, so it is thought that he married both Malissa and Dicey. It also explains the slight gap in his children. I can't really remember where I got this info, but it's out there on several trees. On my tree, I only have the 1880 and 1900 census (admittedly, I've put little effort into documenting his info), which only gives a fragment of the history. Also, I have Casper's name officially as William Casper b. Sept 1829. I've got 4 wives and a million kids:

1. Mary Winchester. 4 daughters: Sarah, Emily, Lucinda, and Frances
2. Malissa Kizer. 1 daughter, Mary Margaret (if I remember the story right, she died in child birth)
3. Nancy Kizer. 5 kids: Thomas, William, Amanda, Laura, Josephine
4. Della Cooper. 3 kids: Lily, Walter, Clarence

Margarett being a Kinchen is really just speculation. It seems that Casper's family and this line of the Kizer's were connected, so I thought maybe she is somehow connected.

OK..the Nellie thing: On Newton Kizer's death certificate it lists his mother as Nellie Kintcheon (Kintcheon being her maiden name...I'm sure this is Kinchen, as I've seen the name spelled several different ways) and Hardy as his father. There is much mystery surrounding Newton's parents. I can get into tons of details...but he was raised by Hardy and Margaret. He is listed as their son in census info. It is generally accepted that he was not their biological child (he was clearly born before their marriage). No one seems to know what really happened (or at least no one that I have run into). Newton's son is the one who provided the info for the death certificate. It would seem to me, logically...that his son would either provide both adoptive parents, or both biological parents...not one of each, right? So, we know that Hardy was the adoptive parent, but Nellie was it must be the biological parents that he listed. So, while researching Nelly/Nellie...the only time I can find her is in the 1860 census living next to John Kizer and his family (Hardy is still living with his dad at this time). So...Nellie and Hardy were next door neighbors in 1860. No one really knows when Newton was born, most people think he was born before 1860, but I don't think so. I think he was probably born in 1860, but after the census...or maybe even 1861 (in the 1870 census, he is listed as 9), but on most later records, his birth year is 1853-1858. happened with Hardy and Nellie (it may have been Nelly). In that 1860 census, Nelly is listed as the Head of Household, and she has 3 children with her (none of which are Newton). So, I think it's possible that she and Hardy married (or at least had an intimate relationship), she had Newton and died (who knows, not being familiar with customs of the time and in this area, maybe she didn't die, but moved away). Then Hardy married Margaret in 1864. The only question I have to this is...what happened to those other 3 children? I have searched for Nelly/Nellie and all 3 kids in 1870 and can't find them anywhere.

I've also thought that maybe Margaret was Newton's bio. mother from her first marriage. However, this does not fit with the info on the death certificate (which may be incorrect anyway). However, I think if Newt's son wasn't sure, he would have listed "unknown" for the parent info. Also, if this were the case, wouldn't Newton have maintained the Averett name, instead of going by Kizer/Kiser his entire life? I just don't know.

I've thought about having a DNA test (my dad is still alive and willing) to compare to a DNA test of one of Hardy's other descendants. It would prove or disprove if Newton was a biological child of Hardy. The hard part is finding a male living descendant of Hardy's son, George. I was in contact with someone from that line awhile back, but she was unable to find a living male descendant. We're still looking.

Hope this all made sense.

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